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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 18:53:50 GMT
I went to page 31 of OET63, and here is what the relevant passage said: "PRIOR to obtaining FCC equipment authorization, Part 15 transmitters may not be operated without an experimental license...".
That is basically saying that you only need an experimental license if you don't have FCC equipment authorization, i.e., your transmitter isn't Part 15 certified. That is still an interesting statement, as it seems to mean that it isn't sufficient to have a compliant transmitter that isn't certified. The passage then goes on to state that you don't need that experimental license if you are testing an uncertified Part 15 transmitter for compliance (apparently only if you operate it).
However, it certainly doesn't mean that you need an experimental license when operating a certified (i.e., FCC authorized) Part 15 transmitter.
I'm not certain where this particular misunderstanding is coming from, but if it's from the FCC insider, it (in my opinion), calls into question their credibility. This has now spread to Facebook, based on one person's (whoever that person is) opinion, without confirmation and validation.
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 23, 2016 19:00:44 GMT
This also only applies to manufacturers and not private operators.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 19:02:23 GMT
And Mighty's post clears up the compliance issue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 19:06:37 GMT
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Very good reconstruction work Mighty 1650.
TheLegacy said: "You can't have it both ways it either was or was NOT meant for that purpose and the agent clearly defined that part 15 is not meant for a Radio Station. When you have programs like Blare On Air, Polka, or anything meant for an audience your a Radio Station. That is not too hard to figure out."
Apparently it is hard to figure out because, I'm being frank with you Troy, you are having trouble figuring it out.
Let's imagine that Part 15 Intentional Radiators are only intended for the personal user of the equipment and not for "broadcasting" to an audience...
In that case I can play anything I want for myself, including Tim's Polka Hour and my own program. If someone in the area happens to tune in they have a right to use their radio, so it ends up being a broadcast.
Right now you've gotten all the forum readers way off the track of reality and common sense.
Look in a mirror and see a guy who got a couple of things wrong. You can't hate us about it. Just sit down, think for a while, and come back. Part 15 lives on.
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 23, 2016 19:17:05 GMT
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Very good reconstruction work Mighty 1650. TheLegacy said: " You can't have it both ways it either was or was NOT meant for that purpose and the agent clearly defined that part 15 is not meant for a Radio Station. When you have programs like Blare On Air, Polka, or anything meant for an audience your a Radio Station. That is not too hard to figure out."
Apparently it is hard to figure out because, I'm being frank with you Troy, you are having trouble figuring it out. Let's imagine that Part 15 Intentional Radiators are only intended for the personal user of the equipment and not for "broadcasting" to an audience... In that case I can play anything I want for myself, including Tim's Polka Hour and my own program. If someone in the area happens to tune in they have a right to use their radio, so it ends up being a broadcast. Right now you've gotten all the forum readers way off the track of reality and common sense. Look in a mirror and see a guy who got a couple of things wrong. You can't hate us about it. Just sit down, think for a while, and come back. Part 15 lives on. Carl hit what part 15 is right on the head. Exactly why the FCC does not regulate what mode part 15 devices operate in or what content they may transmit. That being said, there are a few bands where different modes of modulation do call for different power levels and field strength restrictions. As far as I know those are mostly in the GHz range.
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 23, 2016 20:09:18 GMT
I brought up OET only after the original questions were asked to the agent Today. Again why not call you'll be horribly shocked when you find out what we're telling you is 100% word to word true. The OET was to try and validate what the agent told us in the original post at the top of the link.
Operate as you must, but please remember doing so could mean your in violation of the FCC Rules. Again there is more to part 15 than 15:209, 15:219, 15:239. As we asked the agent and was given at the ALPB meeting on Saturday NOT EVERYTHING IS POSTED ON THE WEB regarding this law (or laws).
I'm as pro FM as you dare get why on earth would I post something that we found to be contrary to what everyone has believed for years to be not what the FCC intends unless we had found something to validate our postings?
I'm just as unhappy about this as some of you. But all is not lost simply get your license as was preached by some of you when we were asking in the first place for more power.
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Post by MrBruce on Aug 23, 2016 20:57:52 GMT
Short and simple.
I would love to obtain a license or authorization from the FCC to experiment with part 15 field strength, even if I had to pay a fee for that right.
I myself, have mentioned this many times in many threads.
I realize of course, I need to update my test equipment for such purposes and have those calibrated if that equipment is in used condition.
Then again, I would love to work with others in the field, as a team, so we can compare the differences in geographical locations, atmospheric conditions, height of the radiator, band conditions, the list goes on.
Now about part 15 devices.
Yes, I can agree, many devices fall under part 15, VCRs, DVD devices, actually anything that emits any type of RF signal energy for personal low power use, is a part 15 device.
The FCC can not restrict part 15 content, because if thy did, they could restrict what your wireless router is transmitting and receiving, after all, that device is transmitting out into your neighborhood, it also interferes with Cell phones and cell phones interfere with it. Cell phones are another device that emit RF energy, they of course, have a much more powerful RF signal to reach a cell tower. They require no user license to use, but they do carry a lot further than legal part 15 AM and FM broadcast band related devices.
Truth be, a lot of these devices, being the mass usage of such, add a lot of RF energy to the atmosphere and you have to admit, the planet Earth, out of all of the objects in our solar system, emits the most RF energy into space than any other object, that is, unless our Sun, is actually emitting more energy of course.
Bruce.
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Post by MrBruce on Aug 23, 2016 21:18:37 GMT
Oh and Troy, your post at the "Part 15 AM and FM Radio" Facebook page is meeting with much resistance and disagreence!
Bruce.
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 23, 2016 21:31:21 GMT
Hey guys we've got some information we'd like to talk to you on TeamSpeak. We've got a good proposition for you for part 15. It would be easier to talk on TeamSpeak than trying to write it all out.
What is the best date and time (EST) to try and meet? We're really wanting to have you there David C.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 23:00:58 GMT
TeamSpeak Yes
I've been trying to get somebody to join me on TeamSpeak for a long time!
Let me know the time and I'll try very hard to be there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 23:17:41 GMT
It's nice to be wanted, but I doubt I'm going to have the time for this. I'm out and about all week (I've been following these threads on my smartphone) and then the following week I'm out of the country. I'm at home now, but soon to go out again.
You've been given information by someone in the FCC that contradicts everything that is generally known and accepted by everyone participating in Part 15 broadcasting, across multiple Forums. At the very least, you need to get independent verification from at least one (and preferably more than one) FCC office that the information is valid. And the names and contact numbers for all FCC employees giving out this information need to be published.
It's then and only then that this new information can be considered somewhat credible. And until that happens, you're going to have many doubters, as this entire situation just doesn't make sense, from both an existing rules and a historical enforcement point of view.
I know from experience that there are very few Industry Canada spectrum managers (that's what they're called here) who know much about BETS-1 period, never mind its intricacies, as they most often deal with licensed users. I imagine that the same can be said for the FCC. Whether that's the case, or whether there was some misunderstanding, or whether the agent in question is playing with you, or whether it's true and the world changes - that remains to be determined.
It's only a matter of a few phone calls away. And it needs to be done by the New Radio Revolution, as you first brought the information forward. You now need to prove it.
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Post by station8 on Aug 24, 2016 0:07:18 GMT
Howdy you all: Carl anytime I can meet on team speak and fill you in if you want. Let me know
David c when your not busy or when you come back let us know so we can keep you in the loop as well on team speak OK.
We don't want to give names out do to we don't have there permission OK.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 0:18:56 GMT
Going On TeamSpeak Now
Hi Jeff.... I'm signing on TeamSpeak now and will wait for awhile and if you or someone doesn't show up I'll eventually hang up and make it another day.
I'm starting the big "Turn Everything On Process".
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Post by craigf on Aug 24, 2016 1:24:26 GMT
Going On TeamSpeak NowHi Jeff.... I'm signing on TeamSpeak now and will wait for awhile and if you or someone doesn't show up I'll eventually hang up and make it another day. I'm starting the big "Turn Everything On Process". Well, I actually logged in tonight.. a bit late. And no one was there. It took a while to find the spare mic here at studio b... I will try again later!
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Post by station8 on Aug 24, 2016 1:54:19 GMT
Hi Craig: Carl and I talked and cleared up stuff I did give permission to carl to record what we talked about.
I would to stayed in longer if I knew you where coming in, I put my stuff up.
You can get the recorded information or I can meet you on team speak if you like OK up too you
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