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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 22, 2016 18:24:50 GMT
Free radio and TV will never go away, do not underestimate the cheapness of the population. Your example of GeGe proves that. Take it from an industry insider, radio is as strong as its ever been.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 19:11:28 GMT
Range depends, of course, on the height of the transmitting antenna & the height of your receiving antenna, as you're dealing with a signal that is strictly line of sight (and you have to take into consideration the curvature of the Earth). I've read that 70 miles is the theoretical maximum because of that curvature, and I've never been able to achieve more than 50. I suspect that everyone's mileage will vary (much like Part 15 range).
OTA signals have another advantage - they're much higher quality than those over cable or ADSL, as they're not compressed. You can easily see the difference, particularly with sports.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 19:34:30 GMT
Range Boosting Trick
Here at HRL (Horsepower Research Lab) we are always looking for ways to extend the range of part 15 low power radio.
We have discovered that station announcements made from a higher than normal chair tend to be heard farther away than those made from a normal chair.
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 22, 2016 20:19:47 GMT
Range depends, of course, on the height of the transmitting antenna & the height of your receiving antenna, as you're dealing with a signal that is strictly line of sight (and you have to take into consideration the curvature of the Earth). I've read that 70 miles is the theoretical maximum because of that curvature, and I've never been able to achieve more than 50. I suspect that everyone's mileage will vary (much like Part 15 range). OTA signals have another advantage - they're much higher quality than those over cable or ADSL, as they're not compressed. You can easily see the difference, particularly with sports. True that, the stations up on Cedar Hill in Dallas get out amazingly well thanks to our mostly flat land. The FMs out of Dallas more often than not get out 100+miles where there isn't a co-channel station or abundance of hilly terrain, gotta love 100kW up at 600 meters!
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Post by MrBruce on Aug 23, 2016 1:16:15 GMT
Well, I wish not to take this topic too far off the course.
In my opinion, yes, I think digital television is an improvement over analog as far as picture and audio quality goes, where analog was snowy or grainy picture quality.
In the old days, UHF television broadcast stations required more ERP than VHF stations to cover their market areas.
When VHF stations were forced into the UHF broadcast band, as digital stations, the requirement was to reduce ERP in a UHF that we already knew required more ERP to cover the same market area as a VHF station.
I lost two VHF stations that are within 40 miles of me, that is Connecticut's ABC station WTNH 8 which moved to VHF channel 10 oddly enough, but their ERP was greatly reduced and now many antenna users can no longer get WTNH. The other is WFSB which is Connecticut's CBS station, which was moved to UHF channel 33 and reduced ERP now makes the station unviewable in most parts of Connecticut now.
Now, ION television is a good station to bring up, since I know most of you have an ION station in your area, they use a total of 6 sub-channels on their carrier, ION, ION LIfe, Quebo, Shop At Home, QVC and yet another shopping channel on sub channel 6. I get two ION stations here 24/7 WHPX 26 New London CT and WPXQ 69/17 Hope Valley Rhode Island. I can say the main channel is fine, Quebo on sub channel 2 is fine, but then the other sub channels are very poor quality and are not 480P by any means. I am sure most of you will agree with me on this if you get ION over the air in your area.
Now, the plans of the FCC, is to repack all your local stations onto the SAME carrier as sub-channels, thus requiring less usage of the remaining television broadcast spectrum after the auction and repack.
Another thing that will happen, is your ability to receive out-of-market television stations through an out-door antenna will no longer be possible, because all your local stations and distant stations will be occupying the same channels. This monopoly is being forced on us, just like regulation stopped cable and satellite providers from importing out-of-market duplicate television stations, that carry CBS, NBC, ABC Etc. Years ago cable television was a community antenna system, that made it possible for subscribers to view television stations from as far as the receiving tower could get decent signals from distant broadcast stations.
As time progressed, your local stations cried foul and the FCC changed the laws, requiring cable companies to block duplicate programming, or remove the station entirely, if it was a duplicate network station, such as FOX, ABC, NBC Etc.
Also the number of import stations which was unlimited at one point in history, was reduced, to allowing cable systems to import only 5 out of market broadcast stations.
Now, with over the air tv, the FCC could not mandate a block on duplicate programming, or out of market stations, but by placing all your locals on the same channels as other market's locals, you will no longer have two like networks, like two ABC stations or two NBC stations available on your out-door television antenna. Your locals will transmit right over the other market's stations preventing you from watching out of market television stations just like cable television.
Give this some thought, because it makes sense and this is what the FCC proposes to do is control what you watch, and in the long run, broadcast television over the air waves for free, may soon be extinct just like the dinosaurs.
It would be cheaper for television stations to feed the cable and satellite head ends directly and turn off their over the air blow torches for good.
Bruce.
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 23, 2016 15:58:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 17:00:50 GMT
As I stated in the other thread that you started, I would get independent confirmation of that before panicking too much (based on my personal experience). It would be worthwhile to call up another FCC office (or two) and ask the same question to other agents. I've found that many Industry Canada agents are not all that familiar with BETS-1, and I'm sure that's the case with FCC agents and Part 15.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 17:13:53 GMT
Reconstructing
Try this question for size...
Q. Can a part 15 operator experiment outside of the part 15 rules even if the experimentation is brief?
Now look at the answer given by the FCC man.
His answer basically says....
A. No. If you exceed part 15 levels you would need an Experimental License no matter how long or short the experimentation is.
Does this clear things up?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 17:21:13 GMT
Carl, now that makes sense.
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Post by craigf on Aug 23, 2016 17:31:28 GMT
ReconstructingTry this question for size... Q. Can a part 15 operator experiment outside of the part 15 rules even if the experimentation is brief?
Now look at the answer given by the FCC man. His answer basically says.... A. No. If you exceed part 15 levels you would need an Experimental License no matter how long or short the experimentation is.
Does this clear things up? Carl has placed things back into context. This parallels with past proceedings, comments and even NOUO's.
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 23, 2016 18:09:27 GMT
You need to check out page 31 of OET 63. Plus when this member asked the question AS IS look at the answer. So the reason we done this is before you can change the rules you have to KNOW WHAT THE LAWS ARE!!
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 23, 2016 18:14:24 GMT
And look at the DATE OF THE NEW QUESTIONS these are not the same as the ones at the ALPB meeting. So I think this is where your confusion is. Again you can call and ask about running a Radio Station. And didn't one of you folks back when we got started mention that part 15 was never meant for "Broadcasting" without a license? You can't have it both ways it either was or was NOT meant for that purpose and the agent clearly defined that part 15 is not meant for a Radio Station. When you have programs like Blare On Air, Polka, or anything meant for an audience your a Radio Station. That is not too hard to figure out.
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 23, 2016 18:19:07 GMT
<--- Works with the FCC quite often, I call BS. Part 15 isn't just on AM and FM. Part 15 is every wireless device, wi-fi router, sprinkler data senders, tire pressure senders, garage door openers, keyless entry, key fob, remote control, traffic control signaling, walkie talkies, ect. Your member is clearly mistaken and has caused some very outlandish things to be claimed as fact. You might be able to read and recite a rule but do you really understand what it says?
I don't want to sound harsh but this is sensationalism at its absolute best, or misinterpretation at its worst.
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 23, 2016 18:22:42 GMT
Part 15 has no programming restrictions, you can transmit anything you want in any way you please so long as you follow the rules for that given band. No part 15 wasn't meant for broadcasting in the literal sense. Broadcasting infers you cover a large area intended for public reception, part 15 was created initially for phono oscillators and minor experimentation. It just so happens with today's modern technology that part 15 on the proper band can cover a large enough area to actually be somewhat useful. You can transmit fax, you can transmit farts, and you can transmit music it doesn't matter at all.
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 23, 2016 18:52:41 GMT
From the Initiative Boards via the user "Secret Lab"
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