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Post by MrBruce on Aug 19, 2016 3:05:57 GMT
I heard WRIF HD2 and it had Real Album Rock sort of close to mine. But there are compression issues at times. Plus as I said you practicaly have to be on top of it to decode it. But if FM was 76-108 Mhz you could have more distance to hear great Album Rock. It's probably why only Metro Cities have HD Radio stations. TheLegacy, I don't know about Metro cities, Ledyard CT is actually a country side part of Connecticut, far from the major cities such as Hartford, Bridgeport, New Haven and such. Norwich, New London and Groton Connecticut are smaller cities in a country type setting. As I said, based on information I see posted at Radio insight and Radio discussions forum boards, people speak about WBMW 106.5MHz having HD channels, but I can't decode the HD because none of my FM receivers have HD capabilities, so I can only go by what others from the area say on line. Now perhaps, those HD channels, if both stations use HD, that is, is the reason 107.1MHz is screwed up with intermodulation issues. Bruce. |
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Aug 19, 2016 11:37:48 GMT
I know I have even complained about this, as far back when I was still active at HB, my post over there, was moved to the principle's office because I complained about a licensed radio station on a part 15 site. It was frowned upon over there. Druid Hills Radio, I know WBMW 106.5 has several HD channels, again WBMW and WWRX are owned by the same person, he has one under his real last name the other under the name of his broadcast franchise name. I am keeping that info out of this thread, you people can look it up if you wish to. I am not sure if 107.7 has HD channels at this moment and time, I am not really sure, without an HD radio how to find out. Troy, I do not think the HD channels are what is causing the audio to vibrate, it is actually the music, that is deliberately OVER PROCESSED to appeal to the popular that like music that vibrates their car's to hell with BASS! Now to be truthful, most of the African American community here, listens to foul language filled CDs, not WWRX, but then again, if need be for FM they do listen to this station for the clean Hip-Hop version of those songs. Now at the transmitter site, they heavily process the music even more, specially in the BASS region, to make the music sound more BASSY than it does for the Highs. That is why it vibrates, it is processed to sound that way, plus they take full advantage of all the modulation they can push before reaching that illegal limit, but when doing sound level tests with VU meters, WWRX pushes the meters over in the red, where WBMW is close, but not quite as extreme as WWRX. You can look both stations up if you wish to at the FCC data base, WBMW 106.5MHz is the other station I spoke about in my previous posts in this here thread. Both stations are in the SAME studio and same tower location. In fact here is a photo showing their studio located on Colonel Ledyard Highway in Ledyard, CT. Notice the WBMW Soft Rock 106.5 and Jammin' 107.7 on the signs in the photo: CLICK IMAGE TO ENLARGE! Bruce. AND....A Subway Shop!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 23:50:53 GMT
Unable to Understand
MrBruce wrote: "Why do I sense negativity and sarcasm here?"
That made me curious so I scrolled back through the whole thread and cannot find any negativity or sarcasm.
There's something broken with communication sometimes and I try to figure it out but often get lost.
What we need is an explainer who can tell me what you-all are saying and then tell you-guys what I am saying.
Would that work? Maybe not, but we should try.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 2:58:14 GMT
I believe it was a reference to my post (immediately preceding his), which he misunderstood. I really was looking forward to hearing about the FCC conversation.
Unfortunately, I got tied up and couldn't make the meeting. Can someone give me the gist of what was said?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 4:25:17 GMT
The FCC NewsDavidC, I've made a short report at "The Latest News" with instruction for getting the "Minutes of the Meeting" by sound recording. LATEST ALPB FCC NEWS
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Post by MrBruce on Aug 21, 2016 6:08:59 GMT
Unable to UnderstandMrBruce wrote: " Why do I sense negativity and sarcasm here?" That made me curious so I scrolled back through the whole thread and cannot find any negativity or sarcasm. There's something broken with communication sometimes and I try to figure it out but often get lost. What we need is an explainer who can tell me what you-all are saying and then tell you-guys what I am saying. Would that work? Maybe not, but we should try. Okay, I realize, my quote raised some eyebrows. Keeping it short, I spoke, based on the past attitude I have seen displayed at two different part 15 sites in the last 3 weeks by Davidc and I guess it does not come easy for me to accept, davidc has a different or unbiased outlook now, from what was displayed in the past 3 weeks. Perhaps, davidc, you have good intentions, but I am a believer, that a leopard does not change it's spots over night, so, please excuse my being cautious here before I agree there is a change. Bruce. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 16:08:05 GMT
I haven't responded directly to several of these posts, as it's a bit like answering the question "Have you stopped kicking your dog?" - you're hooped no matter how you answer.
But let me just clear the air a bit. I am not opposed to changes in the Part 15 rules, either in the U.S. or Canada, and never have been. I just don't agree with the approach (on many fronts) that the Initiative (or New Radio Revolution) is taking, and as such I can't be a part of it. But I do hope that they (or someone else) eventually suceeds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 20:32:09 GMT
The Analogy That Proves the Day
It has been suggested that operating a part 15 compliant FM transmitter from on top of a 24-story building can, under some circumstances, reach out 5-miles.
After thinking about it for a few days I thought of an analogy that proves the point...
If you take a good LED flashlight and shine it at night from a 24-story building it can light up a whole neighborhood for several miles. I think I heard that somewhere.
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 21, 2016 21:01:21 GMT
All our approach was to ask the FCC and keep moving forward on many fronts. Then we're writing up the documents wright based on our information from the FCC as to how to go about it.
Plus the point that Carl made about the flashlight is true because look what happened when kids from a high rise shined those laser toys and it blinded the pilots. Just more food for thought that is all.
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Post by MrBruce on Aug 22, 2016 0:02:24 GMT
I haven't responded directly to several of these posts, as it's a bit like answering the question "Have you stopped kicking your dog?" - you're hooped no matter how you answer. But let me just clear the air a bit. I am not opposed to changes in the Part 15 rules, either in the U.S. or Canada, and never have been. I just don't agree with the approach (on many fronts) that the Initiative (or New Radio Revolution) is taking, and as such I can't be a part of it. But I do hope that they (or someone else) eventually suceeds. What has been said before, but was for some reason removed from the forums here at the ALPB is That I, MrBruce, is not active at the "New Radio Revolution" web site, nor the forum board for that matter.Troy, it is not that I do not support you, but, have I yet, posted a single post at your forum board, that some sadly accuse of supporting "pirate Radio" activity? Are there any posts there, created by me? People condemn Troy's forum board for reasons I am not sure are truly valid. For example, to hang out there is to admit you or anyone who is seen there is active in pirate activity. Why else does everyone say don't hang out there, thus you be accused and prosecuted as a pirate radio supporter. I may seem to sound Ludacris to many of you here reading this post. You may ask why I do not hang out and support the "New Radio Revolution" myself. To answer that question honestly, it is because the site is basically dead, there is not enough user posts there to make it worth visiting. That is because, no one at part15.us and here want to go there, for fear of hanging out there, for reasons that, they too may be called supporters of "Pirate Radio" activity. If there was more activity there, I'd hang out there and participate, but that does not ever seem to happen, so I hang out where the activity is. My way of thinking to, is if any of you really wanted change and you felt Troy was going about it the wrong way, why not start your own project, do it the right way (as has been suggested) and perhaps Troy will join your cause? That's what confuses me the most. Everyone says Troy is going about it the wrong way, but no one has attempted to start a new cause, done the right way. That is what confuses the hell out of me here. That is where I have drawn the conclusion, no one except for Troy is interested in the rules for part 15 AM or FM to be changed. A rule change is needed based on today's mess that the FCC has made of the spectrum from Television, to the AM broadcast band and over packing the already over congested FM broadcast band. Just remember, all those actions were authorized by the FCC and they blame pirate radio for a mess they (the FCC) authorized and created themselves! Anyone who thinks the FCC made wise choices with our television band spectrum, the mess they authorized that has destroyed our AM broadcast band and the mess they created by allowing one owner, to own several radio and television stations in the same market area, then authorizing translators on several FM channels instead of allowing ONE station to increase ERP and hog ONE channel, not 4 or 7 or 9 channels with the same program content!! Should guess again! Just my humble opinion here, sometimes I think the FCC is the real "pirates" in this country. Bruce. |
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 22, 2016 4:29:06 GMT
Time to clear the air about The New Radio Revolution:
Our Mission: First off we do NOT claim to be a Part 15 site, Nor are we a dedicated Pirate Site!! We are simply a site dedicated towards changes to the laws that govern Hobby Radio Broadcasting (Microbroadcasting by its Real Name). The laws that be of Today make it difficult to obtain an audience of any real value while one learns, gets exposure, and possibly lands a job in broadcasting or who just wants to promote their Internet Radio Station just like The Legacy does.
Even for those who just want the experience or exposure of hard to find musical formats will have their day on air. The Legacy is an in your face dead set against Rap and Top 40 killing Real Rock station which has great success on the Internet and has a sponsor because of the stations Album Rock nature unlike many stations who claim to be Classic Rock.
There was a board that did start as soon as The Initiative did (copycat but who cares they did try!) before the name change of the group to The New Radio Revolution and fully open without an elite section (As certain people suggested The New Radio Revolution do). There was talk about doing a petition over their. I've joined that board as was suggested by Mr. Bruce and it too died off and guess what that board said They absolutely would not allow any hint of Pirate talk in whole or in part. So though certain persons, groups, or entities may try and claim The New Radio Revolution only has an Elite Section to do illegal activities on that section is dead wrong as there is an open board and yet where is their submission to the FCC? Who decided to call the FCC over their for clarification as to how to construct a petition, their stance of rather we even should ask for a Hobby Band (or set of frequencies on the lower FM or upper AM Band)? Has any of their said members tried to contact past petitioners who no longer could continue in their quest? And what about the determination and die hard drive it takes to get such a proposal past? Talking to legislators, education of the public, all of what it will take to make this a reality?
The New Radio Revolution does not have 1,000 members as we are a small group. This is OK because we would rather have Quality members than quantity. What does this mean? Its better to have loyal die hard members who will be there when the going gets rough and there will be opposition to this proposal you can bet your life and your first born child's life on that. However this does not mean people should make false claims based on their own paranoia as it makes them look stupid and thus too hurts the hobby not The New Radio Revolution as some disgruntle individuals may suggest.
The New Radio Revolution has a few members who speak their mind about why there IS PIRATE RADIO, One said they are over part 15 but it should not be mistaken for anything other than stating the facts. Even if some of its members may operate in a certain way we believe its up to the Operator of the said station and we have always stated our stance on checking the FM frequency for temperature inversions. Funny thing is the FCC is in total agreement of what I've been trying to pound into everyone's skull who operates an FM station 100% compliant, or questionably over it. You must check to see that a sometimes distant station that some people may try and receive is not coming in during your broadcast on FM.
The New Radio Revolution will impose the after 6PM temperature inversion check and make it mandatory for EVERYONE and the FCC agent LIKES THAT IDEA and was excited to hear our stance on this. Plus .2,.4,.6,.8 after the decimal point on FM if we get our way will be Illegal. It causes too much interference and we plan on talking with the agent about this too. Our goal again is to make things better for not just the Hobbyist, but for all who love Radio.
The New Radio Revolution asks politely that these individuals who are running amuck placing Emails in individuals boxes when they talk about our group and making them scared to join our group to please stop this at once. Right now we're asking politely. The next step is to get an investigation started in order to make such individuals cease these activities. Again those who are doing this are not helping the cause.
Sorry for those who missed the meeting and were not there to ask questions. We at the New Radio Revolution even had a phone line set up from Easy Conference to try and get people to participate. Again lack of participation. So now we're going ahead with the members we do have and who have the experience with the government and who won't stop until WE HAVE OUR FREQUENCIES AND POWER LEVEL of 1 Watt FM, 2 Watts AM. And NO MORE 3 meter antenna/ground limit for AM.
Best Regard to all Microbroadcasters!!
New Radio Revolution (paving the way since June 5th 2015)
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Post by MrBruce on Aug 22, 2016 5:52:04 GMT
Troy, I am sure (and I am posting this to hopefully make people think twice) that people will chime in and make negative comments based on your last post. I have begun to realize, that there are a lot of people in history, that do want to allow or accept change. Yet, no one and I mean no one, opposed the mess the FCC made of our broadcast bands with the repack of the television broadcast band from 82 channels to 68 channels, then 68 channels to 50 channels and now what? Channels 2 through 36, or is it 2 through 26, maybe 13 channels by the time they are done? But who cares about FREE over the air television, we have expensive cable TV, satellite feed premium services, who needs free television?  ? Now the old timers who had no say, or no opinion have to deal with their channel 2 station that is really on UHF 33 say channel 2 so they are not lost and wonder where their channel 2 went to. The FCC is the Federal agency that authorized this crap!! All our stations were moved to a vacant UHF but still say the former channel they once occupied in their monikers. No one has a clue that "over the air television" even exists anymore! They are mislead into believing that you can no longer get television without Cable TV or a pay satellite service such as DISH Network or Direct TV!!! Thank the FCC for that fiasco also, they are not pushing the fact that FREE over-the-air TV is available in all areas a television broadcast station is operating. Television antennas on a home's roof are seen as eyesores yet, those stupid DISH antennas plague every home's siding or roof top. Heaven fore bid if tenants wanted to put an outdoor television antenna on an apartment building roof where they rent, but Cable and Dish antennas are fine. I think the FCC is this country's worst and biggest waste of money, not because they do not combat "Piracy" effectively enough, but, because they are in many ways worse than the "pirates" they are supposed to squash like little bugs. But no one complains about the stupidity the FCC conducts otherwise. Now I know I am bashing the FCC here, but you know, they need to listen to some facts and accept some criticism as well and realize not every choice they made, made things any better for the people of this country. To squash the free television broadcast band into a tiny 16 channels, so pay services such as subscription Internet service providers can give wireless Internet to mobile devices and then charge fees for such is pure stupidity to me and shows NOTHING is free in this country anymore! Bruce. |
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 22, 2016 12:23:13 GMT
Funny you should mention the Repack. Cnet talks about this supposed Repack and now it looks like 2017 is the time the auction will have greater effect (If Any). What is the reason for this? I tell you its because the broadcasters are not going to lie down and take yet another hardship as to once again in a very short time change everything and or risk losing their place and coverage on the spectrum. There are those opposed to the repack and just as some may fight against part 15 operators or for the real name microbroadcasters will fight hard to stop the repack.
The question of the repack was asked to the same agent we have relations with and things sort of took a dead quiet turn. So again there is that assumption that the repack is a done deal. I say its no where a done deal. There is talk about an auction however if the broadcasters don't want to sell their spot then the FCC will have to rethink its proposal of selling these frequencies to the highest bidder.
Now for the subject of reception after TV went digital. GeGe a lady who lives in our complex lives in the back next to all the trees. She can't afford cable and also see's no reason that she has to pay for TV when it should be free like the days of old when she could receive all her favorite programming on the 3 major networks she loved to watch. Suddenly even after buying a digital converter and trying numerous antennas for indoor operation she found that she could no longer receive one single station anymore. She called me for the rescue.
I told her to first rent to own a watchman or a portable TV that has a digital tuner and then take it home and move it around for the best reception. Scan and re scan over and over till you find a place you cn set your antenna for your big TV when you decide to buy it.
GeGe then started to call stores like Aarons, Rent A Center, and then tried Wal Mart and no one had such a TV anymore that was small and had a digital tuner built in. Wow what a surprise. So now she has to try maybe asking the landlord to allow an outside antenna one that still is unknown to work for FREE over the air TV. So the FCC does not care one bit about the general public's ability to receive TV for FREE and just like TV was messed up and you had to pay I predict Radio will eventually be the same way.
The FCC probably knows you can't mix analog with Digital on AM and FM as it will cause interference. All this HD stuff on Radio for what a few 5% to maybe 10% when after all when it came to AM Stereo C-Quam they should have made that mandatory and made that better first.
So eventually for Radio just like TV one will go satellite Radio or Internet Radio for their programming and again forget the antennas. Then there will be nothing to fight for. At least the hobby miccrobroadcaster is trying to make the best of a dying breed which is called FREE Radio. Face it folks it will die off especially with all the translators causing yet more congestion on the FM band and yet not dealing with the fact that FM needs to be expanded if you plan to bring AM stations over to that band.
I say enjoy FREE Radio while you can and never mind who you think may be a Pirate. Its dying and don't let anyone tell you differently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 18:02:30 GMT
Off topic, but OTA TV is enjoying somewhat of a resurgence these days, as people are cutting their ties with cable TV. I've used it for years and it works well for local stations, even with indoor antennas. But you do have to be within 20-25 miles of a tower with an indoor antenna, even if it's amplified (and no matter what marketing hype states, even if you have an outdoor antenna you're really only looking at 50 miles range or so with the best antennas). As you've surmised, location is very important for an indoor antenna - it needs to be in front of a window and pointed towards the towers. One thing often overlooked is the sensitivity of the digital tuner - that can make a huge difference, much like the sensitivity of a receiver to get Part 15 broadcast signals (there, I've roped it back on topic, at least somewhat). While most TV's do have ATSC tuners, the ones they put on the cheaper sets are pretty useless. I don't know what the make is of her digital converter, but again, the cheaper ones don't work all that well. You really have to go for a 'name' brand, like Magnavox or RCA (which are more expensive, but work much better).
Don't forget that with digital TV, you either get a signal or you don't - there's no snow or any other indication that you're almost getting it. Something with a better tuner might be the difference between receiving nothing, and something.
Magnavox is also one of the only manufacturers of PVR's which have ATSC tuners built-in (although they only record in analog), and their tuners really pull in the signals. Channel Master makes a DVR (which records the digital stream) that's also good but they're very expensive. I actually have a Polaroid branded OTA PVR, and it works great as well. These can be used as digital converters even if you have a set without a digital tuner (just use the analog outputs), and then you're also ready when you do upgrade your TV (use component or HDMI).
I live in suburban Vancouver, BC, so I'm some distance from towers, and I still am able to receive 5-6 channels (depending on the weather) with an indoor, amplified Terk antenna that sits on the TV cabinet. I can even receive ME-TV from Bellingham, across the border.
You can pick up good digital converters on e-bay for $25-50 (new) and Magnavox PVR's for $150-200 (again new). Used is of course cheaper - I picked up my barely used Polaroid for under $100.
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 22, 2016 18:20:13 GMT
You can still get 70+ mile reception (At least from the Dallas, TX stations) on digital TV. Personally I think DTV is pretty great, though it is obvious there is coverage loss. The full power station has a rooftop antenna with no amp, it pulls 1 channel plus 2 subchannels. I suspect at one time it might've pulled in 2 or 3.
Television is pretty much going full circle to when cable first started, cable for the rural viewers and antennas for the in town viewers.
Shoot, in DFW you can get 80+ channels OTA.
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