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Post by thelegacy on Aug 15, 2016 19:51:46 GMT
Again The New Radio Revolution has crossed another hurtle and miss info about Uncle Charlie and rather he hates the idea of Hobby Radio.
The agents name won't be given because he may not want his name out. Its irrelevant because anyone who cares to do their homework can and are welcome to call the FCC to ask questions if they are not sure.
We've finally got the proper information to quash the 250 Ft rule for FM. The agent was questioned that if you have a certified FM transmitter and go up 24 stories is it legal to go 5 miles with that said transmitter as long as NO modifications are done to the internal circuitry and antenna of the transmitter. Our surprise answer is YES ITS LEGAL!!
Get your FM Transmitter up 24 stories and you have 5 MILES OF COVERAGE But and here is the but and if this one is not followed you will get nailed. Before you go ON THE AIR with that 5 mile coverage and 24 stories you best check to be sure you DON'T INTERFERE.
What if the station is just out of the contour? Does NOT MATTER if someone COMPLAINS ABOUT YOU WE WILL INVESTIGATE AND OFTEN TAKE YOUR STATION DOWN. the agent said these words REMEMBER YOU ARE NOT TO CAUSE INTERFERENCE CERTIFIED OR NOT!!!
The FCC did say after we told them about the 250 Ft deal and about certain folks going after folks just because their transmitter went past 250 Ft and the agent said THAT NEEDS TO STOP immediately because there is more factors that determine range to a compliant transmitter. There was more questions than that I assure you.
Some more Q&A's will be brought to the ALPB meeting by this said member and we want you all to know that the FCC said when asking about setting aside some frequencies for Hobby Broadcasting like New Zealand has and the fact they had no issues with 1 Watt and you know what the agent said??? Write it down and electronically submit the proposal its a GOOD IDEA!!
The New Radio Revolution will NO LONGER call the FCC any sort of name or even attack them in any way they are NOT THE ENEMY HERE but the enemy is paranoia, miss information (falsehood) and lack of motivation to do the research. In other words the only thing killing the hobby is the hobbyist themselves.
Oh and for your information per the FCC... its ILLEGAL TO HIDE PUBLIC INFORMATION WITH HIDDEN LINKS. This happened when asking about the boy, his certified transmitter and the 24 stories. He is going to try and find the documentation but he is aware of the event. The New Radio Revolution wishes to forge ahead with our goals here and we also want to encourage legal FM operators. Now get your transmitters 24 stories high and have a grand time.
More information will be shared at the meeting. Again this is a day to rejoice and be glad for these findings.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 20:06:03 GMT
August 15th is FM Height Day
Troy I already had respect for your perseverance and now even more admiration for your hands-on management skill going straight to the FCC while we all hide behind a tree.
Now we have assurance that HEIGHT, which we already knew was good for FM transmission, is NOT illegal if the simple guidelines are followed.
Remember, even if you don't have a 24-story building, maybe you are in a building high on a hill and can mount a 15-foot pole on the chimney with the antenna up there. That would be good.
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Post by craigf on Aug 15, 2016 20:46:57 GMT
Good information and a great post. I have always said, when in doubt about a public situation. Tell the truth, tell what you know. The alternative is, the ones that don't know will fill in the blanks with ideas they create or want to believe. Usually, those ideas are far worse than the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 22:13:16 GMT
Was the question a certified transmitter, or a Part 15 compliant transmitter? For the two aren't necessarily the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 22:36:52 GMT
Getting a Little Worried Again
I take it the phone conversation wasn't recorded and we'll never see an actual transcript of what was said word for word.
I think of the times people have misunderstood what I said or I got a wrong idea from what they said... it happens a lot in all conversations.
We're back to the problem of "hearsay", because we're getting this second hand.
It is possible that Troy TheLegacy tended to hear what he wanted to hear, which happened to me in conversations with a woman in 2009. I seriously thought we had a match, only to find out later that she didn't think so.
Don't get discouraged. Transferring the accurate meaning by way of spoken or written conversation is very tricky, even carefully written law, which is supposed to be as accurate as it gets, can get twisted.
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 16, 2016 1:11:28 GMT
Your hearts will be set FREE of years of Miss info at the ALPB MEETING. It can't get any more clear and to the point...
New Radio Revolution.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 1:17:44 GMT
Count Me In On That
The Legacy... I think you understand that I am among the people who believe in your commitment to the cause.
When I get picky and find questions it ultimately serves to strengthen the results.
The next meeting of the ALPB is going to put everything on the map.
No matter what they say, STAY ON PROGRAM and never give up.
This is the NEW RADIO REVOLUTION!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 2:18:36 GMT
I'm looking forward to the meeting.
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Post by MrBruce on Aug 16, 2016 8:39:49 GMT
I'm looking forward to the meeting. Ho-Hum Why do I sense negativity and sarcasm here? I can create a good rant here, but then again, look who is Moderator? Not really in my opinion a fair deal here, as much as there was at the other site I recently left because of the negativity. Right Artisian? Bruce. |
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 16, 2016 13:58:08 GMT
If any of this is true I will eat my shoe.
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 16, 2016 15:46:13 GMT
Lets all get along here!!
I don't like text all that much. I'm visually impaired and sometimes I type stuff wrong. Voice is so much more personal and to the point. Its why I wanted to create a phone conference room but I didn't get the interest.
Recording a conversation without all parties permission is Illegal (Not smart when you deal with federal agents). Next time we talk to the agent maybe we'll get his consent to record the conversation or maybe do an interview and put it on my Radio station. If I done that I'd call it the Hobby Broadcaster Information Hour.
I have to give Anthony credit for the name New Radio Revolution!! Our group is like a chain and its strength is only as strong as its weakest members. What I'm saying is that at least my vision is finally a reality of what I want the group to accomplish. Prometheus later started to have a good relationship with the FCC (imagine if they done this from the start). We here at The New Radio Revolution want to have a good relationship or as good as it will get with the FCC. I'm not talking about a snitch program, but asking questions and having an agent that is willing to take the time for the group is a good start.
My vision is to help not hurt the hobby. Its had certain people US WIDE who has really done things that hamper not help the hobby. Even myself had miss information so this is a great educational tool that again helps pave the way for improvements.
The first step in change is Education. Education for the hobby community and then the public who may have miss conceptions of what we're all about. Then after that we start looking for solutions. Sometimes I get emotional because I'm very passionate about this stuff I live it everyday. So we'll just keep plugging away and see what becomes of this. Its all we can do. Its not all doom and gloom from here.
New Radio Revolution. Paving the way since June 5th 2015.
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 16, 2016 17:17:54 GMT
I'm having serious doubts the FCC as a whole would let 5 miles slide. Not to mention it is impossible for a part 15 FM to ever travel that far, even 24 stories up. Field strength is field strength, the only thing that changes the legal distance of a part 15 FM is receiver sensitivity. If anything that field agent was joking, he would know a part 15 FM could never go that far.
On top of that, you have no proof, no evidence, no nothing other than he said she said.
I'm all for getting along, I'm all for legal unlicensed radio but I am NOT for spreading extremely harmful misinformation. This is the type of misinformation that gets people in some SERIOUS legal trouble.
Yes part 15 FM can and quite often does travel more than 200 feet, it also goes less quite often as well. The foot rule is just for rule of thumb, its not exact but it is very close for the average Joe. You want more legal power, prove you can handle it and do the field reading. This is a form of self policing, only the "best" of the amateur operators will get the most range. Thus giving some level or certainty that the larger signal will likely have "better" content.
The FCC never intended Part 15 to be for broadcasting, we just got lucky with AM.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 17:34:45 GMT
That's What I Think Too
I do believe that Mighty has the right idea about what an FCC person most likely meant by what he said in response to what he was asked.
To construct a paraphrased version, it probably went something like this...
HOBBY PERSON: If a certified FM transmitter compliant with part 15 is on top of a 24 story building and goes 5-miles would it be legal?
FCC PERSON: Yes.
Meanwhile the FCC person is thinking to himself ("of course that could never happen").
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Post by thelegacy on Aug 16, 2016 17:43:29 GMT
I get it. And I should make myself clear here. Moisture CAN and often DOES affect FM signal range. I've seen this on a Belkin transmitter you buy from Wal-Mart.
I'm NOT saying everyone who puts their transmitter up 24 stories will get 5 miles. I am sure the boy and his father got far and that could have been lots of reasons. Terrain, Moisture in the air, What the structure is MADE OF, Remember FM Reflects off of things as well. So there could have been other issues. The point was that the FCC knows that during extreme conditions with a Certified FM Transmitter just like AM there can be some extended range.
Again I have nothing to gain by making such a story up. We at the New Radio Revolution will always have opposition to what we are doing. There is a lot at stake for those who use Radio to make money and who care less as to what the listener really wants which is variety. So that said they have a lot to gain by trying to stifle Hobby Radio. Its not the FCC who does this.
All will be revealed at the meeting. But I'll give you some food for thought. Carl and his C-Crane FM Transmitter. One day he got hiss and all sorts of reception issues in his house like a ghost was moving around. Other times he gets better reception Why is this?
I can imagine the boy 24 stories up had days where his transmitter only got 200 Ft. I've experienced range differences from day to day with my FM transmitter in the same location and never moved from place to place.
Working at a 10 Watt station remember they had to turn the power lower at times because the transmitter would creep up on the power. This was because of the fluctuation in current. That is another question for the FCC what if your transmitter has the certified label and your over the limit what happens to you as an owner/operator of that said certified transmitter?
I expect opposition Prometheus had their trials. Sometimes the truth can stare you down in the face and yet some folks won't get it. The New Radio Revolution will continue to prove our points it will be known. Then we hope to have more FM broadcasters as well as AM. I know you all love the AM, but I'm an FM guy always will be. Not saying AM has no place but I'm all for the practical listener and many car Radio's now no longer have AM. Its dying and fact is fact. FM on the other hand will live for decades to come while AM I don't expect it to last another 15 years.
New Radio Revolution. Paving the way since June 5th 2015.
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Post by mighty1650 on Aug 16, 2016 17:50:09 GMT
Here is a fantastic formula from Radio8z at Part15.us that can be used to calculate a Part 15 FM.
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