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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 17:57:03 GMT
So, I was reading the latest thread bashing SSTRAN over at Hobby broadcaster, and mention was made of the AMT5000 review that DeFelice had been threatening to do for some time. I then read the review. But I needn't have bothered.
It really was just another attempted hatchet job on the company and product, continuing on from the mess that was made in the AM Transmitter Challenge.
For those that aren't familiar with the Challenge, DeFelice attempted to compare the AMT5000 with several other AM transmitters, without really understanding (self-admitted, blaming SSTRAN for not answering his questions) how to tune it. Instead of waiting, or even pulling the transmitter from the testing, he just went ahead and achieved results which didn't match those of others who have used the product.
The formal review just continues from where the Challenge left off. It appears that the same AMT5000 was used in the review - preassembled and of unknown (at least to the reader) origin and quality ( it was, of course, built from a kit).
The review, if you can call it that, focused on two major areas. One was sound quality. DeFelice (he IS Hobby broadcaster, despite the inferences that there is a large test team and lab) didn't like the fact that you can't easily switch the sound processor out of the audio path, even though you can effectively disable it. Much emphasis was placed on how it is POSSIBLE to distort the audio, as opposed to the positive aspects of having the processing at all, and how to use it correctly.
The other area of attack was the claimed Class E operation. It took several months of criticism, as well as Ermi Roos, to get to the bottom of why the transmitter may have performed sub-optimally in the Challenge. DeFelice summarizes some of the tuning issues (ignoring how he botched it on the Challenge). He then 1) criticizes the fact that you need to know the ground impedance to properly tune a Class E amplifier and then 2) spends an inordinate amount of space detailing a response from an engineer who (from the schematics) questioned the Class E operation of the transmitter. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. It should be noted that tuning instructions for typical grounds are included in the manual.
Finally, some power output figures were published that made the transmitter look very bad. What was NOT published were output figures from other transmitters. The Challenge never published absolute power figures. ALL Part 15 transmitters will have efficiencies of less than 1 percent due to the short antennas used, regardless of the efficiency of the final stage amplification. A typical Class C stage will have an efficiency of 50 percent. So you might get output from the antenna of, say 0.5 mw. The AMT5000 has the potential, everything else being equal, to get 0.85 mw (over 85 percent efficiency). It looks puny ( which is what was intended, talked about in isolation) but it's still over 50 percent greater than the others.
And by the way, the Challenge compared field strengths, not power. The measured field strength of the tested AMT5000 was not published in the review.
One of the primary strengths of the AMT5000 is its cost (slightly over $200) compared to other premium transmitters ($700+). What is laughable is that DeFelice considered it's price 'premium'.
By the end of the review (if people got that far), after pages of negatives, I guess DeFelice realized that he might be perceived as being biased (gee, you think?) - his scorecard certainly didn't reflect the overall tone of the review.
It's difficult to say why DeFelice appears to have something against SSTRAN. It seems to be personal to some extent. Perhaps it's the less than enthusiastic response to his demands (a test transmitter) and questions. Although I've noticed the negative attitude from well before the Challenge.
It just goes to show that you can't always believe everything you read, even from sources that are normally reputable. You also need to understand the biases of the author.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 18:17:54 GMT
Excellent Review of a Poor Review
The "Review Review" by DavidC is well detailed and covers the many imperfections of the so-called "transmitter review" from a petty prejudiced author.
I'll have a few comments to add after other readers have had a chance to post their reactions to this embarrassing blotch on the part 15 radio hobby.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 0:30:37 GMT
Hobby Brain Damage
Having read the AMT5000 Review itself I feel disappointment that our wonderful hobby is used as a vehicle for hate speech and ad hominem attack.
Bill DeFelice starts with a few paragraphs that create an illusion of a systematic evaluation of the AMT5000 and its manual, but takes an abrupt deep dive into a toilet spill of negative sludge that he slaps repeatedly until the reader is spattered with sewage.
In 2014 when the so-called "Transmitter Challenge" took place I happened to mention that the "professional engineers" named as judges included Joe Pelham without mention that Joe operated Pelham Broadcasting, a company that installs part 15 systems featuring the Hamilton Rangemaster 1000. And, predictably, the Rangemaster was voted Number One for range. Soon after my public mention of the omission DeFelice added the appropriate disclosure to his Challenge, but blocked my IP address so I can't visit his website from my computer.
Being a longtime customer of Phil Bolyn and SSTran I can tell you here and now his AM transmitters literally are the finest hobby transmitters available for quality and cost, and his service is personal and helpful. The AMT5000 outdistances any other transmitter for legal low power and both models have the richest audio modulation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 4:00:21 GMT
Well, that's how DeFelice responds to criticism, at least to date. Not by addressing the facts, but by personal attack and banning those who have the temerity to question him.
My home IP has been barred from his website since I posted at part15.us pointing out errors in an HB discussion surrounding experimental licenses. It's a pretty juvenile gesture, as there are plenty of ways to circumvent it and view the site, if one were so inclined.
And other Forums are full of people that either chose to leave HB due to its restrictive & somewhat paranoid policies (including hiding internet links to visitors and new members), or were kicked out, sometimes for as little as sharing information to fellow Part 15 broadcasters elsewhere.
I find it all rather sad, as DeFelice IS knowledgeable, as are many of the remaining participants.
I also have no illusions that my Review review is going to change anything over there, or in DeFelice's actions. I posted it for those who are considering using the AMT5000, but were concerned after seeing such a negative HB review.
Know the biases of the reviewer and be very wary of opinions ( which are affected by those biases). Look for facts, the more, the better. And be aware that there can be lies of omission (the AMT5000 review is a perfect example of that).
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Dec 2, 2016 16:10:49 GMT
Bill is not a nice man. My work IP is blocked as well. However it is fun to check in from time to time on my phone to read the latest buffoonery over there. This guy is so paranoid that he blocked an IP address of a friend of mine who happens to live in Dade City. I am going over to the library here in town and see if he blocks that IP as well. :-)
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Dec 2, 2016 18:10:47 GMT
If I remember correctly, the Rangemaster is Class D.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 15:27:04 GMT
Mr. Bill will block anyone who points out his mistakes. Or disagrees with his opinions. Or wants to share information with the rest of the Part 15 community.
It seems to me that that's pretty much everybody but the current members of his little clique. And I'm sure that a lot of those don't speak up because they're afraid of being kicked out, and losing access to the resources there.
He might as well make the site completely private. That way everybody will be happy. He'll be able to say what he wants without danger of someone disagreeing, so he'll feel warm and secure. And the rest of the world won't be subjected to his biases & prejudices.
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Post by mighty1650 on Dec 5, 2016 14:53:51 GMT
Bill is not a nice man. My work IP is blocked as well. However it is fun to check in from time to time on my phone to read the latest buffoonery over there. This guy is so paranoid that he blocked an IP address of a friend of mine who happens to live in Dade City. I am going over to the library here in town and see if he blocks that IP as well. :-) Its probably because he just banned a range of IP addresses, ie 100.000.111.XXX or 100.000.XXX.XXX would ban that entire range of IP addresses. This isn't a great way to go about banning as it tends to unintentionally block other users but it is a way to keep the ban in place even after the user resets the router. Sounds like he probably just banned the range of IPs that particular ISP uses in the Dade City area. Edit: @@davidc FWIW I don't think of the current members of HB are scared of Bill, its not forbidden over there to disagree with Bill and it does happen on occasion. Most of us at HB stay for the more "professional" tone of the site, keeping in mind most of the members on HB are current broadcasters, engineers, and broadcast company owners. Its not everyone's cup of tea obviously but I believe HB, P15, and ALPB all have their places in the community and serve their purposes well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 15:31:29 GMT
Learning As We Go
Interesting insights, Mighty1650, thank you for sharing your experience.
I would add to this discussion something like a "conspiracy theory" based on testimony I've heard from several people...
Bill and his posse of fellow engineers seem like hunting dogs on the lookout for possible FCC rule violators that they in some cases have physically approached, intimidated and threatened.
By further testimony we hear that those HB engineers who provide professional Rangemaster Installation Services employ the "long-ground lead" trick to give their customers an extra signal boost for customer satisfaction. When this has been raised as a question they ignore it rather than denying it.
Of course I might be misinformed. We live in an age of "fake news".
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Post by mighty1650 on Dec 5, 2016 15:51:09 GMT
Learning As We GoInteresting insights, Mighty1650, thank you for sharing your experience. I would add to this discussion something like a "conspiracy theory" based on testimony I've heard from several people... Bill and his posse of fellow engineers seem like hunting dogs on the lookout for possible FCC rule violators that they in some cases have physically approached, intimidated and threatened. By further testimony we hear that those HB engineers who provide professional Rangemaster Installation Services employ the "long-ground lead" trick to give their customers an extra signal boost for customer satisfaction. When this has been raised as a question they ignore it rather than denying it. Of course I might be misinformed. We live in an age of "fake news". Eh, I'm not sure Bill is really all that interested in policing part 15. He's said in the past Keep in mind the Rangemaster manual used to recommend long ground leads for elevated installations, until 2009 it was the norm. I don't know any of these folks personally so no idea if the installers are still putting in long leads or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:21:44 GMT
The Jury Is Still Out
Thank you for responding to my remarks, Mighty 1650.
My own mind is not "made up", as they say, regarding the "conspiracy theories" I repeated which are based on things said by others, amounting perhaps to the spreading of rumors.
Unfortunately by fortifying his "public website" Bill harms not only the part 15 hobby by causing it to appear a "society of nuts" he further harms his own better efforts by anti-social interaction with our other part 15 sites.
Bill would be fully welcome to join the ALPB and speak face-to-face with its members, would be welcome on this forum and the part15(dot)us forum, where cultural exchange between the websites could enhance the hobby tremendously.
As long as such poison publication as Bill's "AMT5000 Review" are posted, it is in everyone's best interest that we respond with a Critical Review in defense of the outstanding products offered by SSTran.
ANY suggestions to achieve "normalized relations" between the part 15 sites are wanted and welcomed.
Trouble is we're Americans and the American Way of solving a problem is to bomb it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:27:52 GMT
I have nothing personal against Mr Bill. I just have objections with the way he operates.
I have never seen him admit that he was wrong. Or even admit the possibility that he might be wrong, or have made an error. That has nothing to do with being a broadcaster or an engineer.
In the cases where I have taken him to task, his approach tends to be 1) you obviously didn't understand, followed by, when backed into a corner 2) changing the subject.
Before writing the Review Review, I went over a number of instances on other Forums where we have interacted. As an example, he has stated categorically that if you can receive a Part 15 FM signal more than 200 feet, then you are operating illegally.When confronted with the math that disproves the statement (using a sensitive car radio), he starts talking about how a 600-800 foot range isn't useful in a moving car. That MAY be the case, but it has nothing to do with the original premise.
The AM transmitter shootout was a good set of data points given the original criteria - newbies, using a minimal ground and ONLY manufacturer supplied materials, including antennas & documentation. It says NOTHING about those who do some research, use better grounds and take the time and effort to ensure optimal tuning and range. However, the results of the shootout have morphed, as plugged by Mr Bill, to be 'what is the best transmitter' while ignoring all the caveats.
I just want to see accuracy in statements, as opposed to egos. And again, that has nothing to do with the present or past vocations of anyone.
And as for banning readers of a supposedly public website (that he promotes at every opportunity), why bother? If he's always in the right, why should he care what anyone else says? Right now, it is only public to those who agree with him. I can certainly understand why only members can post, but to ban readers? Pathetic.
You say that there are occasional member disagreements today with Mr Bill. That may be, but what that doesn't take into consideration is the legion of former members who are no longer there. It seems to me to be a war of attrition. Then again, it's a positive for other Forums to get those who are willing to criticize & question (not a negative).
As for myself I always welcome anyone to read what I post and provide feedback. And if I'm wrong about something, I'm willing to admit it and move on. That's how you learn. Unless, of course, you think you already know everything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 17:26:17 GMT
One transmitter shootout & one 'review' later, we still don't have a good idea of how the AMT5000 can perform in good, never mind optimal, conditions.
By that, I mean using a decent ground, tuning with a scope, etc. Someone who has the technical wherewithal to build a kit would more than likely have the ability to properly tune it.
Short of performing another shootout, it would be nice to have the absolute field strengths published from the first one - that would be something that could be used for comparison in another AMT5000 set of tests.
I challenge Bill DeFelice to do a second set of AMT5000 tests under these conditions. Maybe then we can see whether the transmitter is just over hyped, or really does have superior performance due to its Class E final stage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 18:56:43 GMT
Shoot-Outs and Reviews
Transmitter reviews based on sound field tests make good sense, but I think comparing part 15 transmitters to one-another under identical situations is at most a novelty and not that big-a-deal, given the limitations imposed by 15.219. All decently designed part 15 transmitter set-ups will amount to plus or minus a few feet in range.
At the same time I consider fantasy to be an important part of the hobby, as we imagine break-through discoveries that will bring us closer to the realized dream of useful coverage. I operate very much on fantasy so far as part 15 is concerned. I can visualize someone out there finding KDX on their dial and becoming a loyal listener.
When the AMT5000 was first released I did comparison tests with the AMT3000 using the modest "Wintenna" but without a proper outdoor antenna system. I think it was disappointing to PhilB, the transmitter's inventor, who was hoping someone would undertake a full scale proper test which no one did.
What I did learn is that the AMT5000 reached measurably farther than the AMT3000, something like 1,000-feet compared to 300 feet. The process was fully documented at part15(dot)us.
At the present time I am planning an outdoor MW antenna system 100-feet behind the Internet Building which I intend to continue developing during the winter as much as possible.
Inspired by Tim in Bovey who purchased so many FM transmitters for his field tests I am also thinking about purchasing one of the certified AM transmitters so we'll have something for comparison.
The project will be fully presented at the ALPB Transmitter Forum.
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Post by mighty1650 on Dec 5, 2016 19:10:56 GMT
The AMT3000 had pretty lousy coverage without an exterior antenna, sound and build quality are fantastic though. So far every AM transmitter I have owned doesn't hold a candle to the Rangemaster I have on-air now. The most impressive indoor transmitters I've had in terms of area covered are the Talking House and Talking Sign units.
Some day I'd like to try out the Procaster and Grain Industries transmitter.
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