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Post by jimhenry2000 on Feb 22, 2018 4:47:52 GMT
Makes good sense to me. It will be refreshing to stop seeing personal attacks on our President, his family, nd the FCC Commissioner.
Edit: Moved by Moderator from the Structural Changes to the Forum thread
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 15:17:32 GMT
Hold It Back
Jim Henry speaks: "It will be refreshing to stop seeing personal attacks on our President, his family, nd the FCC Commissioner."
There have been no such attacks, Jim.
All posts about the political players you reference have come from extant news sources with attribution given by way of links to the source of the information.
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Post by Admin on Feb 22, 2018 16:15:08 GMT
Please keep all discussions surrounding potential changes to the ALPB and the Forum confined to the General Section.
I agree with Carl. Plus, under the current rules (and the definition of ad hominem attacks), it's OK to criticize actions and words, which is what has occurred (although some may not agree).
However, there is merit in considering eliminating ALL such politically-related discussion from a Forum purportedly focused on radio and radio broadcasting. That would include BOTH statements surrounding the President, as well as throwaway comments in a number of topics about how stupid the Left is.
That being said, it's also been stated that this Forum is just a more lax copy of the Part15.us Forum. What separates it from Part15.us is the willingness to allow discussion on the edges of politics and other topics that is generally not allowed on that site. So it is said, anyway. If true, and if we eliminate that laxness, then why have two, virtually identical, Forums?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 16:15:55 GMT
Characterizing the Speech of Another
I also wish to say to Member Henry that the word "attack" is extreme, when the most that was made may have been a criticism, a moderate and ordinary tool of language.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 16:41:12 GMT
Other Outlets
When it comes to political agendas and personal beliefs there are two outlets available if a topic is unsuitable for the ALPB Forum.
1.) Robert Part15 Engineer makes his forum site available for political discussion;
2.) Your own radio station or website is available to you, where you can produce a radio program on any subject or post your opinion.
The ALPB Website provides links to member stations and websites, be sure to provide the link information to the Administrator.
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Post by part15engineer on Feb 22, 2018 17:55:07 GMT
i also have a facebook and twitter page for the station as well. @classichits1630am www.facebook.com/classichits1630ami routinely update the FB page not so much the forums or twitter pages. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 22, 2018 18:00:52 GMT
One of the ways that the ALPB and the ALPB Forum can distinguish itself from the other alternatives that are available is a focus on Programming.
The other Forums and websites are more general, but tend to be focused more on the technical and legal aspects of low power broadcasting.
It would be impossible to completely ignore the former. However, the initial reason for the ALPB forming was to provide programming assistance to its members, which presumably were existing low power radio stations (or radio stations in the making).
I'd like to propose that we go back to our roots. Let others worry about the details of whatever rules your radio station is supposed to be operating under in whatever country you are located in. Let others perform transmitter technical testing and range testing - a few, such as Hobbybroadcaster, are much better equipped to do just that.
The field of programming is wide open, and generally is not given the same sort of concentrated attention on these other sites. From the availabllity of programming, to copyright concerns, including radio automation, perhaps the ALPB and its Forum can become the go-to site.
Just a proposal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 18:35:13 GMT
The ALPB Has a Tomorrow
The leadership shown by the new ALPB Admin is already very inspiring amid so many thoughtful forum posts appearing here in a continual flow.
This idea: "The initial reason for the ALPB forming was to provide programming assistance to its members."
Programming is the end game. It is what the transmitters and antennas are all about. And programming is a day to day affair always needing attention from station owners. The idea of making the ALPB a program hub is very appealing and ties in with another fact about the ALPB...
The magnificent content pages on the ALPB Website as installed by Chairman Bob Felmly can be evolved into a Central Library of Program Sources and Information.
The other forums have occasional program links but they soon sink into the depths of digital mulch where they become harder and harder to locate.
By operating a Web Library of Program Sources the ALPB would make itself an attractive place for the other forums to link to.
And Chairman Bob hoped that more members would think about producing original programs, which some already do and others are planning to try, like Jim Henry who recently built the technical part of HBR (Honey Brook Radio) and foresees doing some interview shows. These can possibly be listed in the ALPB Library if they become openly available.
The upcoming Meeting of the ALPB on March 3rd will be gangbusters!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:06:29 GMT
News Column PolicyWe notice that the entire history of the Latest News Column is gone, and I just came upon an item that would link to the previous thread on Net Neutrality, a situation that does make a difference for broadcasters and internet users. The FCC's decision to end Net Neutrality is double edged: it affects us, but it's political. Is this a story that the New ALPB would report? States May Be the Answer to Net Neutrality
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Post by mark on Feb 23, 2018 0:53:47 GMT
To add my input.....It's a good idea to have the 2 or 3 forums on legal hobby broadcasting because one of the forums is very restrictive in being able to join with the email address thing that doesn't allow me and the majority of interested people( my I-net provider doesn't even provide an email) to join that forum. This forum and part15.us are the only alternatives.
David had a good point...why have both forums when they are both the same? A reason to keep the ALPB forum a little different and a little more relaxed in the discussion allowed.
The idea of leaning toward programming but not eliminating other things is good.
It was already a little different by being more accomodating to hobby broadcasting other than just part 15 in the USA. With the "other"(unnamed) forum I don't know how long I'd last even if there wasn't the email restriction....are there any Canadians or forum members from other countries there?
Another way this forum is different.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 3:02:06 GMT
Each Site is a Backup for the Other
Part15_us has gone down a few times, and the ALPB Forum was there as a backup.
This most recent "Maintenance Page Shutdown" of ALPB made Part15_us the backup.
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Post by Boomer on Feb 23, 2018 4:11:33 GMT
Now I'm a technohead, so I'm always ready to discuss circuits, antennas, etc., and new and crazy ideas surrounding them too.
I'd like to broaden and see more about programming resources, one problem being that there's so much out there to weed through and find something that fits well with the station and sounds good on the air.
I use every method, podcasts, Archive org, torrents, and even Yu2ube audio rips, since many shows make videos with just audio and a slide.
I like the one show that Jim Henry promoted, Life Underground, a well done mystery show about metal detecting, a hobby I was interested in as a pup.
Boomer
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Post by jimhenry2000 on Feb 23, 2018 5:56:41 GMT
To add my input.....It's a good idea to have the 2 or 3 forums on legal hobby broadcasting because one of the forums is very restrictive in being able to join with the email address thing that doesn't allow me and the majority of interested people( my I-net provider doesn't even provide an email) to join that forum. This forum and part15.us are the only alternatives. David had a good point...why have both forums when they are both the same? A reason to keep the ALPB forum a little different and a little more relaxed in the discussion allowed. The idea of leaning toward programming but not eliminating other things is good. It was already a little different by being more accomodating to hobby broadcasting other than just part 15 in the USA. With the "other"(unnamed) forum I don't know how long I'd last even if there wasn't the email restriction....are there any Canadians or forum members from other countries there? Another way this forum is different. There are other restrictions to that forum though I don't pretend to understand them I was admitted because my email address "passed the test" as it's not a free email addy and hosts my consulting business as well as the station, but within 2 weeks I was no longer able to log in and that was before I had ever even posted on that site. I made a couple attempts to re-register and contact the forum owner but never received a response. |
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Post by mark on Feb 23, 2018 6:22:04 GMT
Jim Henry 2000 said....."There are other restrictions to that forum though I don't pretend to understand them I was admitted because my email address "passed the test" as it's not a free email addy and hosts my consulting business as well as the station, but within 2 weeks I was no longer able to log in and that was before I had ever even posted on that site. I made a couple attempts to re-register and contact the forum owner but never received a response."
This is why we need these other forums!
And any comments I made in posts about the president(Trump) were never a "personal attack" but opinions on a policy or action he has done(or wants to do). We are entitled to express ourselves to agree or not agree with what our government(s) do or don't do. Even though I am not in the USA we are close neighbors and what the president does or doesn't do is of interest here also. A lot more than how the Prime Minister here in Canada affects you.
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Post by jimhenry2000 on Feb 23, 2018 7:18:51 GMT
Mark, I absolutely agree and also don't recall any personal attacks by you. I have a pretty thick skin and would not even mind personal attacks against the President as long as there is even handed treatment, which in the past there was not. A recent example was when I questioned how a public servant, a Congress woman, who never made more than $175,000/year in a 20 year career could have amassed a net worth of approximately $50 million. I was told that was a personal attack. Most of my career I worked with a pretty tough crowd in a mobbed up business so anything less than physical violence is pretty mild, in my opinion and experience. Jim Jim Henry 2000 said....."There are other restrictions to that forum though I don't pretend to understand them I was admitted because my email address "passed the test" as it's not a free email addy and hosts my consulting business as well as the station, but within 2 weeks I was no longer able to log in and that was before I had ever even posted on that site. I made a couple attempts to re-register and contact the forum owner but never received a response." This is why we need these other forums! And any comments I made in posts about the president(Trump) were never a "personal attack" but opinions on a policy or action he has done(or wants to do). We are entitled to express ourselves to agree or not agree with what our government(s) do or don't do. Even though I am not in the USA we are close neighbors and what the president does or doesn't do is of interest here also. A lot more than how the Prime Minister here in Canada affects you. |
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