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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 19:26:42 GMT
What Is the ALPB?
The Association for Low Power Broadcasters is largely a chat group of colleagues, with audio conferencing two times a month and Forum participation here.
The ALPB meets on the 1st and 3rd Saturday of the month at the TeamSpeak Meeting Room, made available to all who read and accept the Charter, posted on the homepage.
Colleagues consist of anyone interested in radio, and includes members from several countries and any kind of legal radio station.
The ALPB together with companion site Part15(dot)us accept communications rules "as they are" in whatever location, including Part15, LPFM, TIS, CB in the U.S. and Canadian, New Zealandian, and wherever or whatever else.
The Organization does not endorse any form of communications rule violation yet is not an enforcement entity and does not seek out nor report rule violators.
We have a meeting coming up on May 6th and hope you join the ALPB
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Post by mark on May 1, 2017 19:52:13 GMT
I thought part15.us was only about FCC part 15(USA) and could think of discussion outside that scope like Canada or New Zealand as not allowed.
This site as I understand is more relaxed to include other countries and not consider it "illegal" to talk about BETS-1 operation for example.
Am I right or wrong?
Wonder how the other site, the one where you can't even contact with a Yahoo or Google mail address, views this? Since some are members there as well as here.
Mark
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 20:10:59 GMT
It's not not OK (two negatives) to talk about BETS-1 and New Zealand over at Part15.us either. Members just have to recognize that that site is primarily a Part 15 group.
I've also seen BETS-1 discussions over at Hobbybroadcaster throughout the years. But again, it's primarily a Part 15 site (and I'd even go further and say that it's primarily a Part 15 AM site).
As a moderator both here and over at Part15.us, I think that it's basically common sense that is used to evaluate what is allowed in a post, and what isn't. You can't write every rule down. Nor would you want to.
I also think that multiple moderators on any Forum (as there are on both theALPB.com and Part15.us) is necessary for checks and balances. There is too much danger of personal bias and prejudice with only one (as we've seen elsewhere).
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 20:18:06 GMT
Policies Across the Sites
Mark asked a question that also makes me wonder: "I thought part15.us was only about FCC part 15(USA) and could think of discussion outside that scope like Canada or New Zealand as not allowed."
All I know for sure right now is that ALPB welcomes an international discussion on low power radio everywhere, perhaps the limiting factor being that's it's all in the English language.
I don't know if part15_us limits itself only to FCC in the U.S. We can ask DavidC and Admin, each of whom is also a moderator on that site.
As for the odd website that hides more like a private site rather than a public site, I don't even want to know what their policy is, because it might change tomorrow.
UPDATE -- Oh good!
I see that DavidC has answered the question!
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Post by End80 on May 1, 2017 20:18:21 GMT
The way I see it part15.us primary focus is legal unlicensed broadcasting... Same goes for HB. Part15 is the emphasis and the rules in play since and most members are in the U.S., but the real essence is actually in concern to broadcasting legality..
I had been confused before in the content of discussions when methods of broadcasting were illustrated which did not jive with part15 regulations, but once it was clarified that it referred to the legal methods in that particular (yours, I think) members country, everything became clear..
It's reasonable for discussion of legal unlicensed broadcasting of countries outside the U.S. to be welcomed in any of the part 15 related forums, although it can be easy for confusions to arise in the mix. Bottom line: The real focus is interactions with the hobby of broadcasting legality.
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Post by mark on May 1, 2017 23:18:31 GMT
So I'll just add a disclaimer to any post where I talk about operation in my country(Canada) stating that I am not in the USA and do not encourage anyone to operate outside FCC regulations if in the USA.
That way there won't be any confusion if something doesn't "jive" with part 15.
Mark
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Post by End80 on May 1, 2017 23:39:49 GMT
Now there's a thought!.. Flags or icons by the member avatar to indicate country. Just an idea.
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Post by thelegacy on May 2, 2017 0:46:02 GMT
But sometimes we in the USA want to ask questions about other countries in which already allow more power. Case in point NZ. This could help us in a future goal (should we get hundreds of people to be on the same page)to form a once and done iron clad petition for a few frequencies to where usable range and power is allowed.
Real World use is the key as we seen happen when the FRS and even CB rules were changed because of popular use and demand. If a popular demand occurs for Hobby Broadcasters I am sure you'll see something done useful about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 2:31:49 GMT
If by 'real world use' you mean illegal (pirate) activity, then this Forum (and Part15.us as well as Hobbybroadcaster) is not the place to discuss it. There are plenty of pirate Forums for that, including the Facebook closed (self-titled) Part 15 group.
Discussing legal means to change the rules is of course OK.
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Post by End80 on May 2, 2017 3:27:03 GMT
But sometimes we in the USA want to ask questions about other countries in which already allow more power. Case in point NZ. This could help us in a future goal (should we get hundreds of people to be on the same page)to form a once and done iron clad petition for a few frequencies to where usable range and power is allowed. Real World use is the key as we seen happen when the FRS and even CB rules were changed because of popular use and demand. If a popular demand occurs for Hobby Broadcasters I am sure you'll see something done useful about it. You really can't compare whatever successful changes in FRS and CB rules as an example of what popular demand might accomplish towards changes in the AM and/or FM frequencies of the radio dial.. Because they are two different creatures.. It's not the same type situation at all. You're talking about AM/FM frequencies which are already assigned to an existing, well established, long term, and powerful radio industry. The highway department put fight for basically the exact same thing that you're suggesting. They researched, prototyped, and fought for years to acquire what you suggest, and it was for a much more noble cause, and in the end they got what they wanted... sort of.. They got to broadcast with no music, no advertisements, low quality filtered audio quality, restricted content, and still required to accept any interference and shut down if their own signal interferes with any licensed station...
The national highway department is a nationwide organization who strived to achieve what you keep pushing for.. You really think that your group of initiatives stand a better chance then they did?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS WAS HOW THE FCC RESPONDED TO THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS INITIAL INQUIRES TO ESTABLISH ADVISORY RADIO ON THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES:
"...From time to time, the Commission has received requests from manufacturers of radio devices for waiver or modification of the technical requirements of Part 15 so as to permit transmissions of stronger signals for roadside radio and other similar purposes. With the exception of few experimental programs of short duration, the Commission has consistently refused to do so, primarily because of the interference potential.... ..a serious question would most likely be raised concerning the possible adverse effect of such operations on local radio broadcast stations...
... Our present rules of the Commission provide that once you go beyond that three to five hundred feet, you get into the areas of interference with the broadcast service and whatever it serves. At that point you get into serious problems... "
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Many smaller organizations have proposed similar initiatives as yours many times through the years, unsuccessfully. It would be great if it could ever happen.. but it's a rather unrealistic pipe dream.
I would love to see it happen. But realistically, it never will. But we can dream I guess
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Post by mark on May 2, 2017 15:49:38 GMT
There's a saying....it's better to try and fail than never try at all. Change only comes because some people were proactive.
Mark
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Post by End80 on May 2, 2017 16:17:26 GMT
True enough.
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Post by thelegacy on May 3, 2017 0:22:52 GMT
And instead of having all these separate initiatives my ideas we need to have one huge initiative. Maybe even get the highway in this s*** to together with our initiative.
There is no reason a hobby station cannot broadcast traffic safety reports for the area. In fact I think it's a great idea. So at the same time if we get all these initiatives together as one you might accomplish far more.
Maybe it's time to pump public awareness. Get a lot of people aware of hobby radio and why it's important for a change. Then when you get 20,000 or 30 thousand signatures something will have to be done.
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Post by End80 on May 3, 2017 2:07:45 GMT
The Highway Dept would have no interest whatsoever about it.. They have their own Travelers Information Service already (TIS). They originated with part 15 back in the early 1970's.. that's what had actually incited the ground lead to be written into the rules, and then several years later they got their own licensed service.. Remember? Yesterday I explained all this to you. |
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on May 3, 2017 12:17:00 GMT
The Highway Dept would have no interest whatsoever about it.. They have their own Travelers Information Service already (TIS). They originated with part 15 back in the early 1970's.. that's what had actually incited the ground lead to be written into the rules, and then several years later they got their own licensed service.. Remember? Yesterday I explained all this to you. His memory is short. |
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