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Post by Admin on Mar 12, 2017 4:32:32 GMT
The two forums, Part15.us and The ALPB, are not owned by the same person. Part 15 is an entity unto itself as is The ALPB. The tie between Part15.us and The ALPB is simply that the owner of Part15.us graciously provided free hosting on their servers for The ALPB website. As for this ALPB Forum, it is hosted on this site which is a free host also. For a few bucks the ads can be eliminated but I don't find them to be a problem. I was informed The ALPB website has been off line most of today. A quick check finds the hosting servers not available. I hope this is a temporary glitch. I have contacted Jon Paul of Part15.us to see what he can tell us. In the meantime, I am moving The ALPB website to a temporary host. This will take some time as there are a huge number of files, big and small, to move. Currently what you will see is a very early version of The ALPB website which was archived at the temporary host for such emergencies. It was, however, not updated over time and so the reason for its current state. I hope to have the current site files moved by tomorrow. Perhaps the regular host servers will be back on line by then.  |
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Post by End80 on Mar 12, 2017 7:13:32 GMT
Many lawmakers already lump part15 and Pirate Radio (Free Radio) as one lump sum. This was one of my gripes when I wanted to start a petition.. I don't know what you base that information on, or who these "many lawmakers" might be, but part15 is by it's very definition legal. Part15 is the actual law itself - so you are essentially saying lawmakers have already abolished the part15 law, which is false. But, there is a grain of truth in your point.. There are those who operate under the guise of part15 but in reality are not compliant with its rules, you are aware of this, as am I, along with everybody else - and that in includes the FCC.
Therefore, for the integrity of the part15 hobby it is important to maintain the distinction, especially (needless to say) within the forums which are part15 specific. There are only two major sites in the world which are part 15 information sites, only 2 which are primary figureheads of legal part15 unlicensed broadcasting in the world. They are distinct. If those participating members are obviously operating outside the laws of part15, blatantly disregarding the rules and boasting about it in these forums, especially if with little or no objections, then the whole place is perceived as a farce, all distinction from pirating is lost - righteously so. And that is where the lumping part15 in with pirate radio comes in.
Paranoia and misconceptions is what is killing this hobby and making it a very unfriendly place to be.. To start with, it's not a matter of paranoia, it's only observation of clear facts, and clearing up of any misconceptions. This comes back to the important point of distinction. The hobby in question is part 15 broadcasting, not pirate radio, So what kind of stuff is it exactly you say are killing "the hobby" and making it an unfriendly place to be? You mean Part 15 hobbyist? No, you mean to pirates. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 14:35:35 GMT
Trying To Be Right In What We Think We Know
At the opening of this thread I ever so confidently declared that part 15_us and ALPB Forums are owned by the same owner. Now I stand corrected.
Admin clarifies: "The tie between Part15.us and The ALPB is simply that the owner of Part15.us graciously provided free hosting on their servers for The ALPB website."
I must have conflated the "hosted on their servers" as being the same as "ownership".
That must mean we are "guests" of part15_us. Unless it doesn't.
It's good, though, isn't it, that ALPB is its own entity. Our website is owned by Admin, or the ALPB itself with the Admin as its Representative.
Regardless of it all I still think we are not a competitor of part15_us but are a partner, or possibly a sibling, or maybe an off-spring. Certainly a "good buddy" or a "pal" or a "chum".
How far off topic are we at this point?
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Mar 13, 2017 13:45:54 GMT
Trying To Be Right In What We Think We KnowAt the opening of this thread I ever so confidently declared that part 15_us and ALPB Forums are owned by the same owner. Now I stand corrected. Admin clarifies: " The tie between Part15.us and The ALPB is simply that the owner of Part15.us graciously provided free hosting on their servers for The ALPB website." I must have conflated the "hosted on their servers" as being the same as "ownership". That must mean we are "guests" of part15_us. Unless it doesn't. It's good, though, isn't it, that ALPB is its own entity. Our website is owned by Admin, or the ALPB itself with the Admin as its Representative. Regardless of it all I still think we are not a competitor of part15_us but are a partner, or possibly a sibling, or maybe an off-spring. Certainly a "good buddy" or a "pal" or a "chum". How far off topic are we at this point? Alternative facts going on here? |
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Post by radiodugger on Mar 21, 2017 17:04:47 GMT
Speaking of "Signals Between Forums", Why is Hobby Broadcasting not part of our little group? It is impossible for some to become members (me). Now, I read he shuts off or blocks access to some of our members' IP addresses! Some blocks are state-wide! WHY??? This...is, in my opinion, infantile. It appears as if this is a grown man...screaming, "MINE!"  Ya know, guys, if I were to (miraculously) post something really useful...an idea, a hack or improvement of some sort, here in ALBP, Part 15.us, wherever- and you want to share it among the rest, GO AHEAD! Cut & Paste! Why would I object?Ha! I found out that there are those (adults, mind you) that would pitch an ever-lovin' FIT, if you quote someone from another site! Gee..how do I know this...hmm. Not now. But again, should we not SHARE info across "borders"? It's a damn HOBBY! Not the military nuclear codes! My God...what the new people must think...  Doug |
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Post by End80 on Mar 21, 2017 17:10:58 GMT
Dugger, Don't you realize that you come across as rather childish yourself? The way you convey yourself in these boards is not presented in an adult manner. We all can be that way at times, but with you it's consistent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 17:33:22 GMT
My Point of View
In the recent past there have been conversations about building bridges between our forums and the one at HobbyBroadcaster.
Many of us agree that the hobby is the main thing about what we all do and the most good would be done if we all worked together.
We remain open to that bridge, but have had our hands cut off by being blocked.
I'm guessing that HB views us as competition and is not of a mind to collaborate.
Be all that as it may, the members from HB are welcome to post at our forums and join the ALPB.
They are even welcome to criticize us if they wish, we will reply politely and maybe thank them for the input.
At one time I wanted to summon End80 as our envoy to negotiate a peace plan, but nothing was done because it felt like we'd be asking too much.
New ideas are always welcome.
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Post by thelegacy on Mar 21, 2017 17:42:53 GMT
Become an Elite member and wanna be agents can't threaten you cuz they can't see you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 17:55:29 GMT
Nice Me vs. 2nd Thinker Me
Just a moment ago I said: "The members from HB are welcome to post at our forums and join the ALPB."
I did say that and so far as I know it's true because no decisions have been made to the contrary.
However I speak only for myself, not for part15_us nor for the ALPB.
Most realistically, we are better off the way things are and I'm considering the matter settled.
We shall never speak of it again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 18:37:38 GMT
The rules on the ALPB Forum are looser than others, but people posting here have to recognize that ad hominem attacks are not permitted. It is OK to enumerate your opinions and criticize, based on facts, but name calling is not welcome, and WILL be moderated.
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Mar 21, 2017 18:39:07 GMT
Become an Elite member and wanna be agents can't threaten you cuz they can't see you. I like it when wanna-be agents threaten me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 19:22:16 GMT
I think it needs to be clarified that thelegacy is inviting people to join a private sub-group on his Initiative Forum/website, which he calls the 'Elite Section'. There is no 'Elite Section' here in the ALPB Forum. Anyone can read what is posted, member or not. All members can post.
A few more random thoughts.
I entirely agree with Radiodugger that the intent of these Part 15 Forums should be to share information, and not hoard it. Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Luckily, despite some claims to the contrary, most of the topics being discussed here and elsewhere are in the public domain, and there is no valid copyright (or any other right, for that matter) claim to the subjects and contents.
I agree with Carl in that anyone has the right to apply to be considered for ALPB membership (and would be, in by far the majority of cases, be accepted). I personally would have problems with those that have not shown an inclination to share information being accepted as members (not that they have stated any interest to join in any event). I also would have problems with wanna be radio agents (even if they do threaten me :-) ALPB members are expected to operate within the laws of their respective countries, but we are not the radio police. Of course, those are just my personal opinions, and the ALPB as a group, being a democracy, wouldn't necessarily agree.
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Post by radiodugger on Mar 21, 2017 19:59:22 GMT
Dugger, Don't you realize that you come across as rather childish yourself? The way you convey yourself in these boards is not presented in an adult manner. We all can be that way at times, but with you it's consistent. At 61, I take that as a compliment! Yeah, I am unique. No question. So far, YOU seem to be the only one bothered by it. I'm sorry about that. Nothing I can do, I am what I am! No hard feelings... Bouncing along... Doug |
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Post by End80 on Mar 21, 2017 21:48:21 GMT
Doug, I don't particularly have a problem with you, but I am bothered a great deal by your activity at part15.us, such as promotion of illegal activity, insinuating us to be suckers for trying to abide by the regulations, expressions of snubbing the FCC, and any actions which directly or indirectly are detrimental to the hobby of legal unlicensed broadcasting.. and that includes poking at open wounds between hobbybroadcaster.net and part15.us like you did with the lift and paste.. which you very well knew would make things worse.. and you did it just as when there were indications of thing getting a little better between the only two part15 websites on the whole internet..
It's not about copy and paste, that kind of thing is common practice everywhere, but in this particular situation you know damn well you did it as a stab. With crap like that continuously happening there's no way bridges could ever possibly be built. And I am convinced it needs to be..
I know it sounds silly to you, but I believe trouble is coming and part15 is threatened to get caught up as these seemly rouge "tiger teams" start doing their thing. Part 15 hobbyist need to be more united in order to maintain a distinction from pirates.
You and some others have been putting an air of piracy into the part15.us forum, and that is what bothers me a lot. Other than all that, I have no problem with you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 22:44:05 GMT
Joining the Voices
One truth about part 15 hobbyists who post at the two main sites is that we are all individualistic.
By that I mean we each have our own personal way of thinking about the radio experience and our own opinions about what can be said or promoted given the fact of the Part 15 Section of the FCC Rules and Regulations which defines the subject and purpose of these sites.
My own speech has been liberal at times because of the many intellectual offshoots of discussing legality.
It gets unavoidably nit picky when we strongly believe the legal limits of legal unlicensed broadcasting are too confining. On the one hand it is fine to complain about it, but the other hand is that it is improper to advocate for breaking the rules.
I have opened the very honorable matter of civil disobedience as a concept for determining one's own conduct, but I have tried to make the key point that raising RF power as an act of civil disobedience necessarily has got to be backed up by a just cause, e.g., taking a stand against corporate crime or homelessness... some large social issue.
At the same time we have had no "just causes" expressed by our membership, rendering the talk about civil disobedience purely academic and by no means a ticket to breaking rules. Sorry to say that broadcasting album rock or any other entertainment is not a just cause and in no way warrants exceeding part 15.
Many of us agreed that the idea of developing a formal petition for increasing field strengths for intentional radiation was a worthy cause, and Bob Felmly went to the extent of setting up The Initiative website where activists could pursue that aim.
Therefore no reason exists to pose arguments here about changing the rules. Part15_us and thealpb_com embrace the part 15 rules as they are.
At the risk of sounding contradictory I am simultaneously a strong critic of the FCC for doing a pathetically lax job of developing more creative use of low power gaps in the spectrum that exist above part 15 but below licensed. The slackers!
And on it goes.
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