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Post by part15engineer on Mar 14, 2018 18:28:04 GMT
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Post by mark on Mar 14, 2018 19:31:00 GMT
Those monthly fees are quite surprisingly low with it including the license fees.
Seems like something to look into.
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Mar 14, 2018 19:37:48 GMT
Those monthly fees are quite surprisingly low with it including the license fees. Seems like something to look into. No fees paid in the States. Canada only. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2018 20:48:45 GMT
If you broadcast over the Internet using their service, you automatically become a Canadian station. You have to use their 3rd party tools as part of the agreement. They claim you then have the right to stream to over 130 other countries.
You cannot broadcast paid advertising (from their Terms of Service).
From what I can gather (and I'm not an expert), you are using their SOCAN license to broadcast, so you are effectively a sub licensee operating under their name.
They do not mention any other type of licensing - SOCAN only licenses the music, and not the performance. You also need to, in Canada, have a ReSound license for performances (unless they are over 50 years old as of 2017, whenever the TPP was ratified - that extended performance coverage to 75-100 years).
I dunno, these guys look pretty dicey to me. Particularly at their extremely low monthly fees. I'd really do my homework before sending them any money.
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Post by part15engineer on Mar 14, 2018 21:26:06 GMT
that's what I was afraid of. something set off my fishy alarm. I deleted their commercial advertising submission on a buy sell trade group I manage.
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Post by mark on Mar 14, 2018 23:11:22 GMT
Well, not that I'm going to stream(in the foreseeable future) or know much about it, but those monthly fees are pretty much in line with the cost per year to stream in Canada(about $150 a year between Socan and Resound. This based on discussion on this topic on past threads and either me or Artisan looked it up.
$14.99 for unlimited listeners a month comes out to $180 a year. The less expensive package allows only 100 listeners? How does it restrict who can listen at any given time...if you'd ever get that many listeners.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 0:16:07 GMT
The Number of Connections Can Be Controlled
Here are two controls we have when streaming from a home computer...
1.) Both the Icecast and Shoutcast Server Software can be set in the config file to allow X number of listeners. If more people try to connect, they get disconnected;
2.) The upload speed of the internet connection is self limiting. If, for example, your upload speed from the ISP is 5-Mbps, you take the streaming rate set in your software, for example 32-kbps, divide it into the upload speed, and the resulting number shows how many listeners your internet connection will support.
I am guessing that stream providers, like the one being talked about, can set the number of connections in their software.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2018 2:12:23 GMT
Mark, that cost for SOCAN is based on having no revenue, or being a non commercial station with almost no budget.
If the streamer is operating non commercially, and another station is using their license (which is what they say), then how do they know what your operating budget is (which they'd have to incorporate into their total)? When I was on Bowen Island, I was licensed with SOCAN on a non-commercial basis, and the fee was 1.9% of my total operating budget (if you include your internet costs, then you are allowed to stream).
If they are operating as a commercial station, then they pay so much per musical impression, and I can't see that working out with unlimited bandwidth and unlimited listeners. I didn't delve any deeper into their tools to see how they supposedly identify the musical impressions, nor if they inject their own paid advertising into the stream. As I stated previously, they do restrict you from placing paid advertisements, but I'm not sure why.
Plus, to stream a performance in Canada you also require a license from ReSound, which I believe operates similarly to SOCAN (and the streamer doesn't even mention). SOCAN is concerned only with the music, and what they call the shareholders of that music (i.e., the musical composers, lyricists, etc.).
It just sounds too good to be true.
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