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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Jun 22, 2017 13:47:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 16:48:36 GMT
Response To More On Ground Radials
Save the link.... print it for your files.... it's loaded with truth.
Any one who imagines they are getting a good result without a counterpoise for their AM antenna is living in a dreamland.
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Post by Boomer on Jun 24, 2017 11:54:54 GMT
That's a link to direct facts about radial grounds and why they're needed for any AM station setup, and something good to start with or think about adding to your station.
I wish I'd known how important the ground system was back when I had a tube transmitter at home back when I was in high school. I had a decent wire out of the window, and my ground was just what was recommended for receivers with long wire antennas, water pipe ground and electrical power system ground in the house.
I probably would have had better signals if I'd made the effort to get some wire and put it out as radials. My dad wouldn't like tripping on wires in the grass, and might have put a stop to my broadcasting.
If I'd known it was this important, I'd have fanned out some radials under the antenna. I know I tried a piece of wire as one radial, but it didn't seem to help the signal. Now I know why, it wasn't a good ground return or shield for the ground.
Boomer
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Post by jimhenry2000 on Jun 28, 2017 0:12:00 GMT
I added two more "super radials" today. I now have four of these and I think I will add more since I noticed some improvement to the signal today. These radials are from 70-100 feet long, basically as far as I can take them without going into the woods. I also have twenty radials that are each 30 feet long.
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Post by Boomer on Jun 29, 2017 4:29:46 GMT
Wow Jim Henry 2000, your gardener must really LOVE you! I remember when they cut some of your radials by mistake.
One good thing about transmitting with low power is that if an un-initiate contacts the ground system or antenna, they're unlikely to be hurt or shocked from it.
I did get shocked on a friend's AES one tube transmitter, but that was from the DC plate voltage, not the antenna. It did make me recoil and yank the cord, but otherwise wasn't a bad shock, just surprising.
Boomer
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Post by thelegacy on Jun 29, 2017 7:52:52 GMT
Imagine 5 Watts Plus on AM
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Post by Boomer on Jun 29, 2017 14:36:32 GMT
I have imagined it.. When I was in school and got entranced with AM radio and broadcasting, 5 watts was one power I thought of having, nice even number, based on the idea of CB, which was 5 watts input at one time.
I never knew what the range would be, enough for neighborhood broadcasting, basing it on the kits getting 50 feet on their low power of milliwatts. I learned about what tubes could do with audio, and thought something like a 6AQ5 tube could do 5 watts nicely on AM band.
If you'll get shocked on RF seems to depend on the power, and the impedance of the antenna where you touch it. Antennas build up lots of voltage at the tip, even 10 foot ones. I don't know for sure what that voltage is, but I'm thinking it could be a few hundred volts, knowing what Tesla coils can do, and they're about the same as a Part-15 antenna.
You don't get shocked touching it because the P-15 power is low, and if the antenna touches anything conductive, it's instantly detuned by hand, so very little current passes to your skin.
I'd think you could start feeling it at a watt, and at 5 watts probably draw an arc with a pencil tip and light a nearby fluorescent tube by proximity at 5 watts.
That could be some concern if we get higher power for hobbyists one day, but then CB talkers and hams have had few problems in dealing with it, it would be just something to get used to.
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Jun 29, 2017 14:53:25 GMT
I have imagined it.. When I was in school and got entranced with AM radio and broadcasting, 5 watts was one power I thought of having, nice even number, based on the idea of CB, which was 5 watts input at one time. I never knew what the range would be, enough for neighborhood broadcasting, basing it on the kits getting 50 feet on their low power of milliwatts. I learned about what tubes could do with audio, and thought something like a 6AQ5 tube could do 5 watts nicely on AM band. If you'll get shocked on RF seems to depend on the power, and the impedance of the antenna where you touch it. Antennas build up lots of voltage at the tip, even 10 foot ones. I don't know for sure what that voltage is, but I'm thinking it could be a few hundred volts, knowing what Tesla coils can do, and they're about the same as a Part-15 antenna. You don't get shocked touching it because the P-15 power is low, and if the antenna touches anything conductive, it's instantly detuned by hand, so very little current passes to your skin. I'd think you could start feeling it at a watt, and at 5 watts probably draw an arc with a pencil tip and light a nearby fluorescent tube by proximity at 5 watts. That could be some concern if we get higher power for hobbyists one day, but then CB talkers and hams have had few problems in dealing with it, it would be just something to get used to. Boomer You can draw a very small arc with a pencil touching a Rangemaster Antenna.
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Post by jimhenry2000 on Jun 29, 2017 18:47:14 GMT
Well I do make a great effort to staple them solidly to the ground with landscape pins. Wow Jim Henry 2000, your gardener must really LOVE you! I remember when they cut some of your radials by mistake. One good thing about transmitting with low power is that if an un-initiate contacts the ground system or antenna, they're unlikely to be hurt or shocked from it. I did get shocked on a friend's AES one tube transmitter, but that was from the DC plate voltage, not the antenna. It did make me recoil and yank the cord, but otherwise wasn't a bad shock, just surprising. Boomer
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Post by jimhenry2000 on Jul 2, 2017 22:29:37 GMT
I forget who suggested it here, but today I ran a radial from the ground rod under the Procaster, about 120 feet and attached it to my well. The well pipe is something like 300 - 400 feet deep. It has made a significant improvement to the Procaster's reach. It may be subjective but from driving around I'd say it's about a 5-10% improvement. I have not re-tuned the antenna yet but I'd expect that will help a little more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 0:42:51 GMT
Deep Earth Grounding
Jim Henry breaks new ground: "From driving around I'd say it's about a 5-10% improvement. I have not re-tuned the antenna yet but I'd expect that will help a little more."
Thoughts of "water table" and "underground wells" came into my head a few weeks back and speculation began to question whether part 15 transmission could benefit from connecting to underground water.
This is a thrilling discovery and I encourage you to bring it over to part15_us where other members can wrap their heads around it.
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Post by jimhenry2000 on Jul 3, 2017 1:53:46 GMT
Well I tried. I cannot seem to create a thread there tonight. I think they may be having server problems. Deep Earth GroundingJim Henry breaks new ground: " From driving around I'd say it's about a 5-10% improvement. I have not re-tuned the antenna yet but I'd expect that will help a little more." Thoughts of "water table" and "underground wells" came into my head a few weeks back and speculation began to question whether part 15 transmission could benefit from connecting to underground water. This is a thrilling discovery and I encourage you to bring it over to part15_us where other members can wrap their heads around it.
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Post by jimhenry2000 on Jul 3, 2017 1:56:33 GMT
Yeah they cut two more yesterday..... Wow Jim Henry 2000, your gardener must really LOVE you! I remember when they cut some of your radials by mistake. One good thing about transmitting with low power is that if an un-initiate contacts the ground system or antenna, they're unlikely to be hurt or shocked from it. I did get shocked on a friend's AES one tube transmitter, but that was from the DC plate voltage, not the antenna. It did make me recoil and yank the cord, but otherwise wasn't a bad shock, just surprising. Boomer
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Post by jimhenry2000 on Jul 3, 2017 3:28:34 GMT
I got it posted there a couple hours later. Well I tried. I cannot seem to create a thread there tonight. I think they may be having server problems. Deep Earth GroundingJim Henry breaks new ground: " From driving around I'd say it's about a 5-10% improvement. I have not re-tuned the antenna yet but I'd expect that will help a little more." Thoughts of "water table" and "underground wells" came into my head a few weeks back and speculation began to question whether part 15 transmission could benefit from connecting to underground water. This is a thrilling discovery and I encourage you to bring it over to part15_us where other members can wrap their heads around it.
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