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Post by thelegacy on Apr 28, 2017 17:39:58 GMT
Here are some recent examples of Hate Crimes, Racist insults, horrendous language, and just about everything you SHOULD NOT do on any radio transmission. Some of these guys are licensed amateur Radio operators!! Yet its more important to go after the bedroom DJ on 87.7-87.9 Mhz causing far less issues than I hear over at 7200 Khz and at 7185 Khz as well as 13.313 Mhz.
Lots of F Bombing and QRMing Here.
The racist comments and F bombing Oh and the N word. Count the FCC violations here.
More Childish Noise making and Jamming.
I'll have much more (On the Initiative site under FCC Information) as I find some of my favorite examples of why the FCC is looking in the wrong place when they go after little Johnny quarter mile on FM because their paid by corporate big wigs. What Fine Business Operators these guys are. What fine example of our tax dollars hard at work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 19:23:10 GMT
Thanks Go to TheLegacy
Troy, I appreciate your posting about this kind of thing.
I want to know who the righteous bullies are... names, call letters, locations, everything...
Someday I want to find one who is enough of a person that they will talk with me on the Low Power Hour about why they are so hate filled about things that aren't that important.
These people usually hide behind some kind of mob authority, wear hoods to conceal their identity, and sneak around trying to evade direct face to face conversation.
Once people pass 10 years of age they should start acting like humans with brains instead of comic book characters.
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Post by thelegacy on Apr 28, 2017 19:34:02 GMT
N2fUV is one of the biggest troublemakers on ham radio. K9RSY old drunk Dan all he can do is run his mouth 24/7 and make threats and then you have a few other ones out there too. They all pick on ac9mv Joe Italiano.
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Post by Boomer on Apr 28, 2017 21:41:07 GMT
That reminds me of the way CB radio used to get at times, I always heard trash talk, and there was even a trash talk channel, whether it was 17 or 40, where people would scratch the itch to be twelve again.
Forums are the same way, like other radio sites not named that have the same style of expressions on them. Maybe people just need to let loose behind a mic or keyboard (pretty much the same thing) because they're frustrated in real life, from having to conform and be proper.
I've had an impression that radio DJs have to keep it together on the air so much, even today, that they cuss even more off mic.
I don't know that ham radio is something the FCC cares about nearly as much as broadcast, since it's hobby and not for the public, as in not on the broadcast bands, and it's not interference as in someone jamming communications.
Even on AM/FM 'public decency' isn't what it was, there's 'safe harbor' between 10 pm and 6 am where 'language' can be used, and I hear it easily in rap songs on college radio, and even in morning drive after 6 am I've heard some words that wouldn't have passed ten years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 23:24:55 GMT
Let Me Suggest An Idea
If any of you are equipped to do so, it would be really a good project to record these abusive conversations so I can present it on the Low Power Hour as an example of what is being said.
Or, maybe the rules don't allow recording shortwave amateurs, I don't want to suggest something that can't properly be done.
All I know for sure is that CB cannot be recorded... or, if it can, it cannot be re-broadcast. I don't know the exact rules and if I look them up I'll forget them by tomorrow.
It just seems that if talk is going out on airwaves accessible to the public there ought to be a way of proving that something was heard if there's to be a complaint about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 1:44:14 GMT
This is really old news. There are always a few idiots in the amateur radio ranks (and anywhere, in fact), and unfortunately, they get a lot of publicity because their signals can be heard literally around the world.
The situation with abusers on the ham bands is different than that on FM, and even AM. Amateur radio is a hobby, and doesn't affect people's livelihoods - all these yahoos are doing is interfering with other hobbyists. Interference on the broadcast bands not only affects businesses, and also potentially affects those who want to listen to these businesses. And while I promote creative and different programming for Part 15 broadcasting, most people still want to listen to vapid DJ's and definitely uncreative programming for lots of good reasons (particularly to them). Why should those who are broadcasting without a license take that right away (no matter how much we may find that particular content abhorrent)?
The long and the short of it is that the FCC can guarantee that licensed stations don't interfere with each other, because they know their power and their location. They have no idea if an unlicensed station, of unknown frequency, power and location, will interfere with anything. And because most unlicensed operators don't own expensive test equipment, or even modelling software such as NEC (never mind understand how to use it), they can't guarantee that they won't interfere with anything - the listening test doesn't always work.
That's why the FCC restricts field strength so much on FM, and attempted similar restrictions on AM (but didn't take into account the tenacity of operators to resort to loading coils, radials, etc.). And I really don't understand why some keep on going back to the same old arguments. If you are broadcasting with sufficient field strength to get 1/4 mile range on FM to a typical radio, you can certainly create interference. Get many people doing it, all over the band, and you're guaranteed chaos, particularly with the buy and switch on crowd, which will have far greater numbers than those who attempt to find out more about what they're going to do before actually doing it. THAT's why the FCC goes after these guys.
The only way that I can see the FCC letting hobby broadcasters get more range than they do today is to either assign them specific frequencies for their own use, or to use white space frequencies, which come with their own methodology and certification to limit potential interference. In both cases, you're keeping these broadcasters away from existing licensed stations.
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Apr 29, 2017 13:29:48 GMT
Huh? "Once people pass 10 years of age they should start acting like humans with brains instead of comic book characters." Me stolen from a source: "Under most laws, young people are recognized as adults at age 18. But emerging science about brain development suggests that most people don't reach full maturity until the age 25."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 14:08:02 GMT
Emerge Sooner
Druid Hills admits in his choice of words that the "science" he cites is only "emerging" and is therefore not fully emerged: "...emerging science about brain development suggests that most people don't reach full maturity until the age 25."
Youth could be educated to reach maturity very early in their lives if they weren't intentionally kept young and stupid by coddling mothers who don't want to lose their "babies" and scheming school systems that promote athletics as "physical education" when it is nothing more than prep for military service.
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Apr 29, 2017 14:09:18 GMT
Emerge SoonerDruid Hills admits in his choice of words that the "science" he cites is only "emerging" and is therefore not fully emerged: " ...emerging science about brain development suggests that most people don't reach full maturity until the age 25." Youth could be educated to reach maturity very early in their lives if they weren't intentionally kept young and stupid by coddling mothers who don't want to lose their "babies" and scheming school systems that promote athletics as "physical education" when it is nothing more than prep for military service. When is the last time you sat in a classroom?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 14:14:57 GMT
As I Recall
Druid asks: "When is the last time you sat in a classroom?"
1998.
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Post by mark on Apr 29, 2017 15:46:49 GMT
To add to Davidc's post....a very good point about it not being known where you are and that's why so little power is allowed to limit interference. BETS-1 allows you more BUT that comes with a condition....the transmitter has to be certified and in their data base, no matter where you got the transmitter or if you home built it. My contacts with Industry Canada verified that is the first thing they care about. AM too. The CRTC also has the on air rules against the things that Thelegacy started this thread with but nothing can be done about it unless they know about it. These people get away with it for that reason. I also think(but could be wrong), that the USA allows more in the interest of free speech where here the CRTC restricts what can be said on radio more, especially BETS-1. Think of this, in the USA the KKK can exist but in Canada they are an illegal organization because of anti-hate laws here. BETS-1 can't have anything religous or political, but the catch...they have to know about it from someone that complains. The FCC has no restrictions as I understand.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 16:29:12 GMT
In Canada, the CRTC can take away your BETS-1 license exemption if you broadcast political or religious content and someone complains (or if you violate any of the other exemption conditions) - that means that you will have to go through the process of getting a CRTC license, which is virtually to get unless you have a significant funding source. That is the big stick that they hold.
On the amateur bands, the CRTC doesn't have any power, so they can't dictate content. One guy has gotten away with garbage for years on 20 meters (he's actually located on Vancouver Island) because he claims 'freedom of speech' - I guess Industry Canada doesn't deem him enough of a nuisance to bother going through the courts to shut him down.
However, I don't see the relevance of potential FCC/Industry Canada violations in the amateur bands to Part 15 broadcasting. If you're violating the broadcast band rules, you're violating them - period. And pointing out issues on other frequencies does nothing to further the Initiative to increase the allowable power to hobby broadcasting. If anything, it goes to show that you're going to have problems everywhere there are people and transmitters.
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