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Post by sparepart on Feb 14, 2019 22:47:25 GMT
You are getting this email because your name is on the list of people who requested notification when our new Range Extender (Outdoor Antenna Tuner v2.5 for Talking House / iAM Radio) is released for sale. Here's an update to keep you informed of our progress: - The design and testing work are coming along well, even though we have been slowed a bit by our Michigan winter, which has made the outdoor testing challenging!, we expect it to be available in the Spring.
- We likely will bring the unit out under its FCC-certified name, which is the “Range Extender.”
- We will contact you in advance of the release to verify that your card will be run for the remainder of the sale price and to confirm your shipping address.
Thanks for your patience and for sharing with us the excitement of bringing a much-anticipated product to the marketplace!
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Post by thelegacy on Feb 15, 2019 4:56:53 GMT
Let us know how far it goes when you get it.
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Post by Rich on Feb 16, 2019 19:22:44 GMT
Let us know how far it goes when you get it. What is expected for the "legality" of using this new product with Part 15 AM transmitters other than those which were FCC-certified when using it as being compliant either with 15.209 or 15.219?
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Post by End80 on Feb 17, 2019 0:17:05 GMT
Let us know how far it goes when you get it. What is expected for the "legality" of using this new product with Part 15 AM transmitters other than those which were FCC-certified when using it as being compliant either with 15.209 or 15.219? What is expected in regard to the legality of the unit was described in spareparts post of the quote from ISS which says it will become available as the FCC Certified component as it was originally released. It's extended range capability is due to the antenna being located outside. Perhaps you now intend to dog it until the FCC responds by retracting it's over 30 years of being certified for use with the Talking House..?
Although I agree, and have stated previously that even the TH stock does not conform to the letter and never has, nevertheless it has long ago been deemed permissible all the same by the FCC, just like every other part 15 system for the last 40 years of use, it long ago become a staple, a permissible trouble free method of communicating with the public legally without a license, it's a part of history, it's the way it's done.. the issue has never been length of elements, but distance range. Keep it within a mile and the such systems has always proved to be acceptable upon inspection - over and over again through history.
For chrissake Rich Fry, leave it alone.
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Post by Rich on Feb 17, 2019 12:03:50 GMT
The purpose of my post here starting with the text "What is expected..." was/is to try and learn what others are thinking about using the new ISS Outdoor Antenna Tuner v2.5 with transmitters other than those manufactured by Talking House and ISS. My post itself had no conclusions about that.
The reply to my post from End80 (Rich Powers) gave his belief that the TH stock system "does not conform to the letter," although "it has long ago been deemed permissible all the same by the FCC," and tells me to "leave it alone."
However he is the one who introduced this line of thought here, not me.
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Post by End80 on Feb 17, 2019 14:05:39 GMT
Well perhaps I was a little out of line with my response but it seemed obvious to me -based on about the last 15 years of your comments in reference to legality issues, of where you were going with your last post. As for the conundrum of the TH by it's very design not appearing to actually have ever conformed to the letter when it was certified over 30 years ago.. it is not simply an observation of mine, but one which has been discussed numerous times over years not only here, but in all related forums... I then assumed your comment was alluding to that conundrum.
Apologies for my jumping the gun.
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Post by thelegacy on Feb 18, 2019 5:12:32 GMT
End 80 a few days I was visited by the FCC and they never had an issue with my AM equipment. My range is 1.5 to 2 miles which is what they told me I would get with a legal install in my area.
I was just hoping that people would get the full 1.5 to 2 miles to a Good portable such as Tecsun,Grundig.
I did read your post on hobby broadcaster will you said exactly the same thing. Unfortunately I'm still waiting if I'll ever get it to be approved as I once had a user account but lost my password and I have since changed isps and my new ISP does not have the same email address. So we'll see if he'll ever let me in due to some of the other things out there. He's got some good articles that I'd like to be able to read but for some reason he chooses to lock them down I don't know why because it's public information or should be.
I'd also like to keep up with this new pirate act that they're talking about because they didn't mention anything about part 15 in it but unfortunately I cannot read the replies to that over there. So we'll see if I get invited or not. Time will tell. Maybe someone will be so nice as to let me see some of those replies is it would be interesting to know about it.
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Post by sparepart on Feb 18, 2019 6:01:01 GMT
Hi Folks, We have a grant pending for a TR6000 Model 15.73 Transmitter to operation as an educational institution under FCC Part 15.221.
In the meantime, the plan is to pair the Range Extender and a donated talking house to keep within the part 15 limits.
SP
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Post by mark on Feb 18, 2019 6:06:35 GMT
He doesn't want others taking what's on his forum and posting it elsewhere. I would join too but I may not last long as it's exclusively FCC part 15 and I don't know how inclusive that forum is with outside the USA members.
I also, like the great majority, do not have an email with an internet provider(I'm with Yahoo) and my internet provider doesn't even provide an ISP email. I also don't pay anywhere near as much for internet either!
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Post by End80 on Feb 18, 2019 6:32:29 GMT
End 80 a few days I was visited by the FCC and they never had an issue with my AM equipment. My range is 1.5 to 2 miles which is what they told me I would get with a legal install in my area. I was just hoping that people would get the full 1.5 to 2 miles to a Good portable such as Tecsun,Grundig. I did read your post on hobby broadcaster will you said exactly the same thing. Unfortunately I'm still waiting if I'll ever get it to be approved as I once had a user account but lost my password and I have since changed isps and my new ISP does not have the same email address. So we'll see if he'll ever let me in due to some of the other things out there. He's got some good articles that I'd like to be able to read but for some reason he chooses to lock them down I don't know why because it's public information or should be. I'd also like to keep up with this new pirate act that they're talking about because they didn't mention anything about part 15 in it but unfortunately I cannot read the replies to that over there. So we'll see if I get invited or not. Time will tell. Maybe someone will be so nice as to let me see some of those replies is it would be interesting to know about it. I didn't mean to imply they would have a problem with a Talking House install, in fact there never has been such indications and see no reason why that would ever change... Nevertheless, it's a curious thing.
I personally think 'part15 ranges of over a mile is really pushing luck, licensed 10watt is often able to achieve only about 3 miles, though that could be improved with more elaborate grounding which they seldom employ - but the point is part 15 which is unlicensed and regularly achieving beyond about a mile is only able to do that by going beyond part 15 limits itself, or by employing multiple transmitters. I really think a hobbyist concern should be more about maintaining a reasonable unlicensed range more than any concern about how long your ground lead is. It's all part 15 is, a limited range medium, anyone talking about doing miles legally is just blowing smoke or deceiving themselves.
As for the HB forum, there's no articles being hidden there, it just discussions, although it's not uncommon for those discussions to be about some article readily found on the web. There are numerous articles on the main section of the site which is available for anyone to read without being a member. As for difficulties in becoming a member.. I don't know what to tell you, but my impression is those who are denied membership is generally based on some past conflicts of interest or personality clash between the webmaster and whoever it is trying to gain or regain access. Bluntly, when it comes to the HB forums, it appears to be that once you're out, your out for good. Not a policy I personally agree with, but it seems obvious that is the way it is.
Oh yeah... actually they did specifically address part 15 in the pirate act, it classifies it separately and makes clear it as being the only legal method. I don't have a link on hand at the moment but lhis easily found in very recent and official FCC documentation about the issue with just a simple google search.
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Post by End80 on Feb 18, 2019 6:43:00 GMT
He doesn't want others taking what's on his forum and posting it elsewhere. I would join too but I may not last long as it's exclusively FCC part 15 and I don't know how inclusive that forum is with outside the USA members.
That's not true, it is not exclusively part 15. As for the email issue, I tend to suspect there's ways around that, but I don't really know. The problem with most free email providers s that people can hide their true identity behind them.. Don't most internet connection providers automatically supply an email address for their clients? Emails like yahoo or Gmail or whatever are usually used as secondary email addresses are they not?
Anyway, you're incorrect about it being exclusively USA members, the primary focus of the site is part 15 or equalevent.
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Post by thelegacy on Feb 18, 2019 6:56:58 GMT
Getting back to the ATU I can see where there was lots of loss on the older units. The New one is a version 2.5 so we can hope that those extra long wires have been shortened inside the box to make it more efficient. There was talk that this new unit will allow your transmitter to reach more than a Mile. Hope so as it could be an ATU that would still work on the ASMAX2 with some changes.
Friends who have opened the older unit up told me that it was actually 50 ohms with an F connector instead of BNC or PL-259. If that is the case one could use an adapter to o from male F conector to Female BNC to connect to the ASMAX2 transmitter.
The Talking Sign ATU was designed the same way and could take 50 ohms. But the Talking Sign ATU was far more efficient in its original form.
If someone gets the ATU and tries it I'd like to know the results. Though the price is steep. You can use an MFJ antenna tuner meant for 160 meter Ham Radio, simply do a little re adjustent and it will work on AM and probably more efficiently too. I think that unit can already go down to 1 Mhz so you should be able to use the MFJ unit and have a nice low SWR too. These units should have an SWR meter in them I don't know why not.
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Post by End80 on Feb 18, 2019 7:07:50 GMT
I really know little about technical specifications and deign other than the most basic of details.. but how can you have "extra long wires" in about a 6 inch ATU box?! However I presume your correct about the new model being designed in a more efficient manner somehow, newer models of anything are usually are improvements upon the old. Other than that I have no knowledge nor insight about it.
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Post by End80 on Feb 18, 2019 7:19:01 GMT
Hi Folks, We have a grant pending for a TR6000 Model 15.73 Transmitter to operation as an educational institution under FCC Part 15.221. In the meantime, the plan is to pair the Range Extender and a donated talking house to keep within the part 15 limits. SP Under 15.221 you are afforded extra liberties within part 15 limits, one being your not restricted by antenna length or power.. I'm sure I'm not saying something you don't already know, but would you actually even need the external ATU for your educational installation? I mean couldn't you simply extend the wire to your hearts content to increase range providing it stays within the boundaries of whatever your institution covers? - Or is that area small making 15.219 a better option?
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Post by sparepart on Feb 18, 2019 12:41:32 GMT
The grant is for equipment and operating costs under FCC Part 15.221.
If for some reason we do not receive the grant, the talking house and the ATU are the part 15 backup plan (which was paid for by the volunteers)
SP
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