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Post by thelegacy on Jul 15, 2018 21:29:12 GMT
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Post by mark on Jul 15, 2018 23:32:33 GMT
This was already posted on part 15.org and I posted I wonder in thelegacy has seen this. There has to be something more to this as how could the FCC allow an unlicensed station with 25 watts to carry on? Is it an acceptable defense that you are in an area with no other stations and not causing interference? I can't see that a person from the FCC or Industry Canada would not be reading the riot act to them...unless there's something more we aren't aware of.
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Post by thelegacy on Jul 15, 2018 23:39:10 GMT
Can't say they are any threat. Maybe it's fear of monopoly break up.
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Post by Boomer on Jul 16, 2018 0:07:48 GMT
If you can't beat them, join them
I always thought that would be a good way to get pirates into the fold, offer some avenue that they could get a license. What better way to beat someone than to absorb them? That's where I thought the LPFM rules, where no former pirate could hold an LPFM station were wrongheaded and just make more pirates.
It's a double edge razor, if regulators aren't absolute in their enforcement of the rules, they may think people won't respect/fear them. Some would-be broadcasters could see it as a crack in the door, as small as it is, and take the risk of putting on a station, with the hope of being legitimized.
Pirate FM broadcasting seems to have been popular since consolidation changed radio in the later 1990s, and even had its own 'trend' movie, Pump Up The Volume. Pirate radio may have been in the popular fancy, but I don't think it's ever been a fad. When you think about radio coverage, most people don't even live in an area with a receivable pirate station.
You might read about pirates in Brooklyn NY, but Brooklyn is nothing like the rest of the country.
Boomer
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Post by Boomer on Jul 16, 2018 15:29:39 GMT
Thanks for posting that, TheLegacy, though I wasn't able to read the original article. I went up to Part 15 .org and read your post there, and from what the answers imply, they might not know if they're causing a problem with their signal.
If the issue came across my desk, and you as a station weren't sure if there was a problem with the operation, and others are saying that there is, I'd advise going off the air right away, until issues are understood and cleared up. If it happened with a licensed station, that's what they'd be expected to do, go off until the problem is fixed. I'd do the same with my part-15 station.
I know about dedicated and loyal Album Rockers, and I think the album rock period of time was when rock and roll was more grown up and serious. After the Beatles and Beach Boys, Sgt. Pepper and Pet Sounds, it was a great time of experimentation and innovation.
Multi-track recording was being used, synthesizers were being developed, and FM stereo was there to deliver LPs and long cuts, hence album rock. Different sounds came into the music, like classical and jazz, so you had Moody Blues and ELP with big selling releases.
People responded by buying high end stereo equipment to build into component systems. One electronics magazine I read, from the mid-1970s, said that in a survey that for teens and young adults a high performance stereo system was more important to have than getting a car!
Nowadays, for most of the hip population, desires have moved on from music radio and albums to digital video and screens of all sizes, but FM stereo and music radio was 'Hot Stuff' as the Rolling Stones sang right around that time. It was state of the art, and in a sense it was all we had.
Still, there seem to be a large number of album rockers around, along with the next generation they brought up on the music, that a real album rock station now is kind of a gem. I also think there's a lot of rub-off from music forums on line, Yu2ube and music blogs that let you listen, seems like quite a din over Album, Prog, Heavy, electronic, all kinds of the sub-groups of album rock.
Boomer
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Post by radiodugger on Jul 17, 2018 11:22:45 GMT
Sorry, the page you're looking for cannot be found.
404
The page may have moved, you may have mis-typed the address, or followed a bad link.
Hmmm...I guess the point is moot.
Doug
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Post by Boomer on Jul 17, 2018 12:51:32 GMT
I noticed that.. I think the point is still good, we can pretty much figure out what the article said.
Another point might be to stay off of Twitter and Facebook, so many people get in trouble on those places.
Good to see you here Radio Dugger!
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Post by mark on Jul 17, 2018 15:17:15 GMT
Sorry, the page you're looking for cannot be found. 404 The page may have moved, you may have mis-typed the address, or followed a bad link.Hmmm...I guess the point is moot. Doug Here it is..........
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Post by thelegacy on Jul 17, 2018 16:47:46 GMT
Posting in Radio forums on Facebook will get you in trouble. Watch your words there There are way too many busy bodies out to destroy you on these forums. I had one individual who faked a Deltaville resident when filing a complaint. (I got the scoop but can't reveal how it was done here).
25 Watts is overkill for a Hobby Station! I see why the narcing and crying is taking place as many licensed LPFM's are using that much power. However there needs to be a solution. From what I'm gathering from sources in the know its in the works and I think before anyone does anything to ruffle any feathers I think we need to try and help with this solution.
There is talk from my engineer friend about an entirely Digital future for AM Radio with 1610-1700 Khz for Hobby Radio 10 Watts! My broadcast engineer friend said for me to tell all Radio hobbyists to behave and not ruffle any feathers because the FCC is starting to see the light. If AM goes digital as there is an experimental station that got an experimental license for an all Digital AM Station as talked about on the Facebook forum I love AM Radio and forum members are not too happy about it. I've been getting secret Nautel bulletins about this too so its going to happen.
I need to see if their station can be received with an HD Radio like the Radiosophy HD-100 If so I'm thinking of buying the Radio becausee I need to monitor my station in C-Quam and this Radio receives C-Quam.
I'd call my friendly FCC Agent but I'm afraid I'd accidentally Kill the Classic Rock Station! I'm quite sure the FCC got calls from the same Narc and I'm sure he faked a Williamson, WV resident with his caller ID scrambler but if I continue to be curious I may call him I just don't want to kill the only Album Rock station in that part of WV. I'm waiting for the station to get back with me on C-Quam AM Stereo and Carrier current. I gave them the Radio's to advertise and I'll give them carrier current links. I want to save them from self destruction.
In a way I hope AM goes all Digital so I and Rock 104 get our wish for the 10 Watt Legal station. C-Quam Album Rock @ 10 watts. Makes my mouth water thinking about it.
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Post by mark on Jul 17, 2018 17:54:26 GMT
But, legacy......What if AM goes all digital or HD as it's called here and they scrap the whole analog AM band? Not leaving it intact as you are assuming like they did with TV? Then this hobby is finished! You are assuming that the AM stations will all convert to digital and the 530-1700 KLZ analog band will remain open for us to use with whatever power.
Remember, digital is not "bands" of frequencies that can be "open" to choose where to go. You can't get a digital transmitter and pick a spot on a band. You are just hoping it will be like that. Check with your engineer, or ask your agents about this as they may have some insight as to what will happen.
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Post by Boomer on Jul 17, 2018 19:40:39 GMT
I was just reading about digital AM on the Radio World and Inside Radio sites to find out more. They have to do the tests, but so far they're selling it well, though as I've seen many times in this industry, we would do better to be skeptical of any claims made about about something new or a breakthrough, especially when we can't know all about it.
In the excitement of digital AM, I haven't seen any reviews of the audio quality of a full digital signal. In my experience with AM HD is that the sound was poor quality. That's the usual hybrid mode, HD+analog though. Without the analog signal it looks like you can get the bandwidth down for more range. Of course any new technology can be improved in time.
It appears that the most robust mode available is 10 khz bandwidth (+ 5, -5 khz around the channel center), which doesn't seem to be enough for good audio. I'd like to know the actual bit-rate that can be put through a 10 khz wide channel. It looks like full digital can use 30 khz of bandwidth, but that would be harder to receive cleanly.
I'm unschooled about digital AM, any engineer out there have more insight?
Boomer
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Post by mark on Jul 17, 2018 23:37:18 GMT
@ Boomer, If it were to go digital it wouldn't be "AM" any more but more importantly it wouldn't just be a digital transmission in the analog space of 10klz in the same AM band, and then converted back to analog to have audio in a receiver with the same frequencies as before. It's a different ball game and the AM band as we know it goes silent(and scrapped?) When they did this with TV you could get a converter box so you could keep your old TV and receive it in the analog the TV can receive. You can't do this with 100s of millions of radios or do it at all. The HD system that is already set up is a digital signal called HD(high definition) working in the sidebands of existing stations as it's a code and needs very little "space", just a different receiver to get it, along with the regular stations.
A better idea if our hobby is to exist, as the analog band will still be there.
By the way this post is about the legality of a "pirate" station, sure has gone astray.
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Post by mighty1650 on Jul 18, 2018 17:55:07 GMT
FWIW HD does not stand for High Definition, it stands for Hybrid-Digital. The technical term for the US system is IBOC In Band On Channel, you are correct in that it operates on the sidebands. Much like RDS, SCA, and FMeXtra. Supposedly pure digital sounds a lot better on AM than the current hybrid method.
And to get back on topic:
Anyone ever consider the thought that they are lying about the FCC? There is no way in hell any agent of the FCC ever gave them the OK for a 25 watt FM system. Their days are numbered and it will likely be silent within a few months if not weeks thanks to the news article.
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Post by thelegacy on Jul 18, 2018 19:56:20 GMT
To be honest I'm actually surprised it hasn't already happened. After being off the air for several months and I returned and I was on 100.1 and I did it on a Saturday and by Tuesday at 2:42 p.m. that's when I got the knock. It just takes the right person with a lot of clout or the right person who uses a caller ID scrambler and makes it look like the right number and all is taking over.
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Post by mark on Jul 18, 2018 23:39:00 GMT
FWIW HD does not stand for High Definition, it stands for Hybrid-Digital. The technical term for the US system is IBOC In Band On Channel, you are correct in that it operates on the sidebands. Much like RDS, SCA, and FMeXtra. Supposedly pure digital sounds a lot better on AM than the current hybrid method.
And to get back on topic:
Anyone ever consider the thought that they are lying about the FCC? There is no way in hell any agent of the FCC ever gave them the OK for a 25 watt FM system. Their days are numbered and it will likely be silent within a few months if not weeks thanks to the news article.
I stand corrected
Thanks
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