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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Mar 15, 2017 16:36:04 GMT
What if we don't have a wood shed?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 17:01:03 GMT
Please keep things civil, even in disagreement.
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Mar 15, 2017 17:27:04 GMT
Please keep things civil, even in disagreement. I was just injecting humor.
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Post by End80 on Mar 15, 2017 19:28:44 GMT
Easy there Station8, to start with didn't call you crap, I said "one of us are full of crap", and that was in response to your rant about me having me head stuck in a hole insinuating that I was speaking blindly about the legal capabilities. I don't know your background, nor do I even question your experience.. nor did I call you crap. I simply emphasized that to get those excessive ranges under 15.219 is not plausible - You say it is, therefore, one of us is...wrong.
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Post by mark on Mar 15, 2017 20:25:20 GMT
Reply to End80(before the arguing)
I think, just my opinion that there's so fewer citations for AM is (1) You are much less likely to cause interference to anything. (2) Not to many people are caring about AM as the electrical noise and all the other clutter at night is a lot more interference than your station could cause, (3) The FCC doesn't care as much (4) The set up with AM is not something that probably the majority can do to get a lot of range as you need your own home and property on the right type of ground and (5) Since the FCC isn't going to have electronic techs go into your transmitter to see if actually 100mW no modulation to the RF stage you could most likely have more and they just look at the antenna and ground and if you are not over 3 meters they let you go. That's why here in Canada a certification by an approved lab is needed because the inspector knows it's gone through the testing.
Mark
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 20:46:46 GMT
Wasn't referring to you, Druid.
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Mar 15, 2017 21:03:12 GMT
Hi : This is for end 80 and other people with the same mentality !!! Calling me crap before you say that about someone you better know them personally first ! It must be nice for end 80 to get away calling me crap but if I call someone that people want me kicked off is this not Fair NOPE this is what I call kissing butt to the right people ! ! End 80 you have no clue what my background of experience is at all !!! I don't know you well and you don't know me well ! The next time you call out because you say I don't know what I'm doing or talking about I will take you and others out to the wood shed and kick your ass for lying !! Now take that and think about what you did !! Station 8 I am assuming your a ham? What's your call? Mine is WA4JM.
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Post by End80 on Mar 15, 2017 21:16:58 GMT
Reply to End80(before the arguing) I think, just my opinion that there's so fewer citations for AM is (1) You are much less likely to cause interference to anything. (2) Not to many people are caring about AM as the electrical noise and all the other clutter at night is a lot more interference than your station could cause, (3) The FCC doesn't care as much (4) The set up with AM is not something that probably the majority can do to get a lot of range as you need your own home and property on the right type of ground and (5) Since the FCC isn't going to have electronic techs go into your transmitter to see if actually 100mW no modulation to the RF stage you could most likely have more and they just look at the antenna and ground and if you are not over 3 meters they let you go. That's why here in Canada a certification by an approved lab is needed because the inspector knows it's gone through the testing. Mark Well said, and I agree with it all. My whole point was only to emphasize realisstic legal capabilities.
By the way, I doubt either one of you would be familiar with him but my grandfather always claimed to be the first HAM in the state of Tennessee, his call letters was W4ABQ.. I searched it out a few years ago and turned up some other guys name.. I guess the call letters must be transferable, my grandfathers name was Edward Joseph Powers, and he was an extremely avid and active HAM till the day he died sometime back in the mid 1990s
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Post by station8 on Mar 15, 2017 22:14:23 GMT
Howdy all: Lets get started you should be very clear in what you type, this is why I hate telling people stuff on these site, people will get
Confused at times and will start issue because statments could mean several
Things if not clearified, and I will be man enough to say sorry guys!!!!!!!
Here is some of my back ground
I am a ham operator ke4tgh, I also worked in educational FM and cable TV station with over 8 years of experience on air
Personality,remote operator, transmitter operator, control operator, camera operator switch board operator
Program director , music director , i won 3 Trophies and awards for broadcasting you just should say
I did everything in radio and TV.
I have played with part 15 am transmitters from the late 70's and I will tell you that I have played around
Making various different antennas and made the am tx go father then what most people can do and what started was
When I could not get my station very clear at night this began the wheels spinning how to stay legal and get maximum range
Without breaking the part 15 FCc law.
Now you kinda know why and how I can achieve range I have experiment for years.
And with the team speak meeting your getting free information and plus pick my brain.
This is why I urge you guys to come into the team speak meeting with your question so any confusion is gone.
I hope this helps out station 8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 2:35:01 GMT
Like the Man Said
If anyone has a beef with Jeff Station8 they have a beef with me.
We probably shouldn't use "beef", as I don't eat beef.
Pork chops are good.
If anyone has a pork chop with Jeff Station8 they have a pork chop with me.
Anyway, the ALPB Meeting is coming up fast. Saturday night.
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Mar 16, 2017 12:43:28 GMT
@staion 8: Are you a Jags fan?
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Post by station8 on Mar 16, 2017 14:02:45 GMT
Howdy all: slightly off toppic / then back on topic .
john
I was never was a jags fan, but my uncle gave me a the original t shirt with the cat on it ( I like cats ), they had to change the logo due to Some legal issues !
So I have a collectors piece that I worn once !
I was a football fan back in the 80' now I'm not I don't care for the sport anymore. !
End 80
Sorry about your grandfather I love talking to the old ham operator they are the best I never ran into A bad one.
Now some of the new ham operator I hate to say i have run into some loo loo, winner, bad ones more frequent Which is sad to say.
I know this first hand by when I was getting emegerancy communication training in a shelter during a hurricane Storm and I was a runner passing simple communication to law inforcement and latter I found it to be false information And the other experience ham got me into allot of trouble and he did not confessed that he made a mistake giving me the Information !!
So let just say I don't do ham stuff is much anymore and why I miss the older ham operator !!
NOW LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC
Here is one of my secrets in antenna constructions.
As for building a shorter then a 10 foot antenna I can be done what you have to keep in mind Is that if you go shorter you need to go bigger in dimater and also the thickness of material being used And the type of material being used and the type of antenna design being used.
All of this place a Major part in the size and and length of antenna and the efficiency as well !
Now as for a ground less antenna it can be done,But when you build these antennas you have to build just right Or you will NOT get good range, I have been told by this by another ham operator who build ground less antennas.
So now I'm done telling some trade secrets
See ya at the team speak show
Station 8
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Post by Druid Hills Radio on Mar 16, 2017 14:27:41 GMT
@ Station8: I am an old ham radio operator LOL! I still run CW! A comment here, I am not sure how a wide/fat antenna is more efficient. The BW does increase and on AM that's not a bad thing as the audio fidelity improves. A shortened vertical folded dipole certainly could operate without a ground.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 14:28:11 GMT
Little Known Military History of Jeff Station8
Jeff is not someone who brags about his heroism. But I know the story and you all need to know.
During skirmishes at trouble spots around the world U.S. troops were bogged down by persistent and stubborn enemy strongholds that refused to back down. That's when Specialist Jeff was called in as the "secret weapon".
Late in the night, around 3 AM, Jeff would wear his black uniform and disappear into the shadows. About an hour later he returned and things were very quiet until morning when the enemy could be heard yelling and screaming.
It seems that the enemy had no shoes! Someone had snuck in during the night and taken every shoe leaving the enemy totally barefoot!
How he did it was never figured out. But to this day Jeff Station8 is able to move undetected among the shadows and confiscate all the shoes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 17:53:42 GMT
To continue along Carl's 'meat' angle, at some point you have to ask 'Where's the beef?"
I'm willing to keep an open mind about Part 15 antenna capabilities, even when they fly in the face of my (and others) experience. But science dictates that at some point, you have to be able to show that others can duplicate your experiments. Either by allowing neutral parties to try out what you've built, or releasing the engineering particulars of it so others can duplicate it and attempt to repeat what you've done. Perhaps there's something else going on with your installation that wouldn't necessarily translate to others.
Discussion about this antenna has been going on for almost a year now. If we're going to keep talking about it, I think it's now time to do something about it as well.
I can understand the reluctance to release details if Station8 is attempting to commercialize the antenna, as he's indicated in the past. So maybe swear a couple of people to secrecy and let them try it out - then report the results? There are a lot of Part 15 broadcasters in the Florida area.
Until that happens, I can understand why End80 (as well as myself) will take talk about 4 miles range with some scepticism, at least in the general case.
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